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The tragic events in Charlottesville, VA last week provided a flash point for the nation to have a discussion that we’ve been putting off for too long. The past few years of extremist politics have turned fringe ideas into mainstream ones, with Antifa communists and Alt Right Nazis getting plenty of the attention they crave, but don’t deserve.

But why is this happening?

Antifa activists have been gathering steam for some time now, with a major incident that brought them into the public eye being the riots at Berkeley over the appearance of Milo Yiannopoulos, himself a figure who was lionized by Alt Right activists in previous years. Antifa communists also gained attention in their assault of white supremacist Richard Spencer, an attention craving lunatic who was famously punched while giving an interview on the streets in Washington D.C. Antifa has successfully popularized the concept that Nazis should be punched, since their ideology leads to violence. But never mind that history has shown that fascists movements have never even approached the body count of communist regimes in their morbid tally of human sacrifices on the altar of the omnipotent state.

Perhaps they ought to remove the beam from their own eye before trying to clean the speck from their statist counterparts?

And what about the Alt Right? Is it entirely fascist? No. But some parts of it are. Some of these people are sincere conservatives, whose gripes with establishment politics not serving the interest of the working man are legitimate. Some of them are anarcho-capitalists, with ties to libertarian traditions but who have warped the philosophy with their views on creating an ethno-state, an idea that flies in the face of the ideas of peaceful voluntarism. Still others are just bored teenagers, who flock to whatever is the biggest fad in politics, latching on to whatever movement is ascendant at the time. And finally, some are sincere national socialists.

Nazis. I hate these guys.

We know this not just because of the flags they are waving but because they believe in universal healthcare (so that when they control government it can be denied to minorities). Also we know it because they aren’t truly pro-life. They’re pro-life for white babies, but minorities can off themselves all they like. They have nothing in common with libertarian or conservative traditions, and should be rightly shunned by society. They represent nothing in common with American traditions.

What’s astounding about these two groups, Antifa communists and Alt Right Nazis is the minimum degrees of separation between their political ideals. Both represent big government. Both represent central planning. Both represent a form of socialism which decrees that an individual’s liberty must give way to the nation-state. Communism and Nazism are merely the Janus coin, reflecting one another and battling for supremacy over who will control the commanding heights of the economy.

“But Nazis weren’t socialists!” 

Yes, they were. Socialism is central planning. The Nazi platform demanded the nationalization of enterprise. They demanded old age pension schemes, and the communal ownership of department stores. The Nazis despised materialism, and sought to replace it with a socialized system. They wanted socialization of higher education, compulsory physical fitness, and the subsidization of government approved works of art. Socialism is what socialism socializes. Alt Right leader Richard Spencer has proudly supported universal healthcare and Scandinavian socialism.

Nazism and Communism are both twin evils. Both are wrong. And while Communists and Nazis who live in the United States should have the same individual liberty to spew their hatred forth in the public square, we the people have every right to counter it with speech of our own. No one has the right to initiate violence against another for exercising their free speech rights here in the United States.

We aren’t Nazi Germany, and we aren’t Communist Russia.

This is America. Land of the Free. Sweet land of liberty.

  • Tony Pince

    Thank you, Austin, for this glimpse of sanity in a raging sea of knee-jerk reactionism.

  • Kentc

    Both sides in this event came looking for violence and there was nothing spontaneous about it.

    • Shootist

      And the Governor and Mayor wanted a bloodbath which the Quisling Media would blame on the Republicans who had nothing at all to do with it.

      • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

        Absolutely. This was a complete setup by the Clinton-Machine-Connected Governor and Commie Mayor. Like them or not, the alt-Right applied for a protest permit long in advance and even had to have a federal judge force the city to honor it. The corrupt Machine politicians setup the demonstration to turn violent by:

        -Declaring it an unlawful assembly, then blocking off the alt-Right’s avenue of retreat, forcing them to leave through the antifa, who were throwing ice, human excrement, soda cans with concrete, bricks, etc. and swinging bats. Cops were heard snickering when they told the alt-Right to disperse, knowing they would have to risk life and limb to do so.

        -Not keeping the antifas separate from the alt-Right at all. In contrast, during the demonstrations at Pikeville, the non-Machine-connected local police force did an excellent job keeping the groups apart, and there was zero violence.

        -Doing nothing to stop the “Redneck Revolt” antifas, who were pointing AR-15s at people (brandishing, a felony)–though it’s rumored that most of those AR15s are airsoft guns that only look real.

        -Preparing a declaration of a “state of emergency” before the events had even started.

        • Shootist

          I can’t speak to all that. It just seemed like 19th or early-mid 20th century Union politics to me.

    • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

      The night before the main protest, about 700 alt-Right guys, mostly young and fit men, took Tiki torches and marched through campus to the statue they were defending, chanting “you will not replace us” and “jews will not replace us”. About 20 leftists had formed a human chain around the statue, chanting “no nazis, no kkk, no fascist USA”. There was no police presence.

      If the alt-Right were all about violence, why didn’t these 700 strapping young guys slaughter the leftists? No offense to the left, but most of them were of ambiguous gender, soyboys, etc., who certainly deserve sympathy for their indeterminate sexuality but could not defend themselves even in a 1-on-1 fight. And the individuals could have gotten away with it just as antifas get away with serious crimes by blending in with the group.

      Every important alt-Right opinion leader, from Richard Spencer to Mike Enoch to Jason Kessler, repeatedly commanded participants never to engage in aggressive violence, not to bring firearms, etc. Can you name one far left guy (antifa, BLM, etc.) who told his “comrades” not to start violence?

  • Tony Pince

    Ethno-statism carries the same authoritarian whims of xeno-statism; it must be forced, coerced and carried under the threat of violent action. The societal infrastructure ought to be based on voluntary interactions and associations. The core pillars that make volunteerism possible is the protection of private property rights and protecting the idea of individual self-ownership.

    • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

      As an alt-Right libertarian, I completely agree that non-coercion and absolute freedom of association are essential to a healthy society. The thing is, White people are completely denied the free-association rights to create a space for themselves.

      After all, White people have to work their butts off to afford housing in the non-ghetto areas of most American cities. This is simply because it’s illegal to “discriminate” (another word for choice, selectivity) in housing, i.e. to create a safe, Whites-only community that does not infringe on non-Whites’ rights in any way. Now, White people do have the ability to make de-facto White communities–but to do so they just have to price their homes into the stratosphere, wasting money and time in their life to purchase hyper-expensive houses that won’t make them any happier than modest ones, just so they can avoid the creeping ghetto for a few more years.

      To make matters worse, the federal government hunts down communities that have “too many White people” with Section 8 and similar programs. This forces Whites into White Flight after they build communities.

      Is free association for all people, including White people, so much to ask for? To paraphrase the old libertarian slogan, we’ll create our ethnic enclave and leave the rest of the world alone. (How radical!!)

  • Jason Matthew Thorp

    A distinction should be made between real Alt-Right people and people who think they are Alt-Right. Alt-Right IS white nationalism. Just because some people who do not adhere to the ideology claim the label does not change that fact.

    • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

      This is mostly true but misses the point. The alt-Right believes in self-determination for every ethnic x political group, but White people are the ones who are denied this right most graphically in the West. (The Palestinian people are also the victims of brutal Israeli repression, and securing their self-determination right is crucial). As such, we think that people who actually want to live in a multicultural society should be allowed to do that, those who want a Black ethnostate in America should be allowed to form that, etc.

      However, most people who say they want to live in a multiracial society in fact live in neighborhoods that have been shown by social scientists to literally be as segregated as they were in 1968. Do you think that they could just be saying that they “like” multiculti because it’s the PC thing to do, and they (understandably!) don’t want to be attacked for non-PC views?

  • Shootist

    Yes, you can reject Antifa Commies and Alt Right Nazis at the same time

    If you can’t reject both you’re part of the problem.

    • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

      As an alt-Right libertarian, I will gladly defend your right to reject the alt-Right, the far left, or anything else, because I believe in freedom of association. What the alt-Right wants is not to force you to join the White ethnic enclave if you’re White (or deprive you of your rights if you’re not), but simply to secure White people the free-association rights to create a space for themselves. Is that so much to ask for? To paraphrase the old libertarian slogan, we’ll create our ethnic enclave and leave the rest of the world alone. (How radical!!)

      Now, you may want to ask yourself, why have so many of the alt-Right come from mainstream (race-blind) libertarianism? And why do they still consider themselves libertarians, albeit more Rothbardian than Reaganite? (I mean, Rothbard himself was open about believing in scientific racism, and also exposed Jewish power quite effectively, despite himself being ethnically Jewish. He even called his Jewish upbringing a “communist” upbringing, which would be accurate on many levels and gave me quite a laugh)

      • Shootist

        I stopped reading at ” to secure White people the free-association rights to create a space for themselves.”

        Hogwash. Race is a social construct. We are all Americans. If we are reduced to early 20th century racist politics, this will no longer be America. I will fight for your right to call yourself a “right leaning libertarian”, but you’re not, right leaning or a libertarian. You are a Progressive Fascist, who would use the police power of the state to enforce your version of what society should look like. You appall me.

        • Aristonothos

          you lost me at Creationism, frienderino

          • Shootist

            what creationism?

          • Aristonothos

            “Race is a social construct”

            Hate to break it to you, buddy, but that’s Creationism

            Google “Lysenkoism” to see where the Marxist idea of tabula rasa came from

          • Shootist

            lolol.

            100 years ago Italians, in America, weren’t White. Are they white today? Social construct.

      • Chris Ray

        should it be more about “values” than skin colour ? I prefer my own white western culture to all others but find I have several East Asian and coloured friends who share the same values of hard work , family , discipline and honesty.

        • Shootist

          certainly the discussion can and should be, in my mind at least, be about culture.

          However western culture isn’t “White”. A person chooses what culture to belong to. It used to be immigrants chose to be Americans, then “we” began to worship at the tree of diversity.

          • Chris Ray

            ” we” began to worship at the tree of diversity.” I’m confused now , I thought you said there was no such thing as “race” and that it was a social construct !? please clarify ?

          • Shootist

            diversity has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture

          • Chris Ray

            I’m not sure thats entirely true. The Left constantly harp on about “diversity” and for them at least it has a strong racial element, Black ,white, latino , Asian etc . and when they are finished with that they break it down further into , Men , Women, LGBTIQ, disabled , poor etc. “Diversity” is designed to smash otherwise cohesive society into smaller and smaller pieces.

        • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

          That’s true. There are always the “talented tenth” of Black people, and moreover the East Asians are if anything an example for White people in terms of their industry and raw intelligence. There is ample evidence for a genetic component to these qualities too but the important thing is that we recognize differences instead of putting our heads in the sand about them.

      • Naters

        “to secure White people the free-association rights to create a space for themselves”. i thought you were against safe spaces?

        • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

          White neighborhoods are safe spaces. The exact opposite of the South Side of Chicago or urban Detroit.

          I’m against forcing the taxpayer to fund them. But the main problem with the leftists’ safe spaces is that they don’t stay there. They just whine about how they are so oppressed they might have to stop trying to worm their way into White company for a minute to retreat to a safe space–just to guilt trip the gullible Whites.

          • Naters

            there should be safe spaces for anyone, even whites.

  • Peter Stricker

    I reject both, but last weekend it was the Nazis turn to get rejected

    • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

      That’s your right (although as our country gets ever more polarized, you may find yourself changing your mind), but keep in mind that the Establishment was terrified of them and denied them their Constitutional Rights to protest, plus set the protest up to turn violent by:

      -Declaring it an unlawful assembly, then blocking off the alt-Right’s avenue of retreat, forcing them to leave through the antifas, who were throwing ice, human excrement, soda cans with concrete, bricks, etc. and swinging bats. Corrupt cops were heard snickering when they told the alt-Right to disperse, knowing they would have to risk life and limb to do so.

      -Not keeping the antifas separate from the alt-Right at all. In contrast, during the demonstrations at Pikeville, the non-Machine-connected local police force did an excellent job keeping the groups apart, and there was zero violence.

      -Preparing a declaration of a “state of emergency” before the events had even started.

      • Peter Stricker

        The Nazis killed many of my relatives — can’t get much worse, can it?

        • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

          Bolshevik Jews killed some of mine. Will you apologize for what your (((coreligionists))) did in the Soviet Union, (((Peter)))?

  • Chad Redden

    Oh look, someone else that blatantly misrepresents National Socialism. Every race deserves it’s own space, even Malcolm X understood this. Marxism has two classes, slavemasters and slaves. Capitalism is the misuse of a nation’s goods to enrich the wealthy which naturally and inevitably leads to Marxism. National Socialism is based off meritocracy instead of crony-capitalism and nepotism. I wish people would take some effort to understand a topic before they try to explain it.

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  • Charles Martel Infidel-Goy

    The night before the main protest, about 700 alt-Right guys, mostly young and fit men, took Tiki torches and marched through campus to the statue they were defending, chanting “you will not replace us” and “jews will not replace us”. About 20 leftists had formed a human chain around the statue, chanting “no nazis, no kkk, no fascist USA”. There was no police presence.

    If the alt-Right were all about violence, why didn’t these 700 strapping young guys slaughter the leftists? No offense to the left, but most of them were of ambiguous gender, soyboys, etc., who certainly deserve sympathy for their indeterminate sexuality but could not defend themselves even in a 1-on-1 fight. And the individuals could have gotten away with it just as antifas get away with serious crimes by blending in with the group.

    Instead, all they did was shout against their replacement. Since the State is trying to replace White people with forced mass migration and denying Whites freedom of association (e.g. in housing, in employment, in whom to do business with–and Austin Petersen, to his credit, has spoken out in favor of free association!), this is certainly compatible with libertarianism.

  • THANK YOU! I’m so fucking SICK of LibTards rewriting history!

    NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY; It’s right in the fucking name!

  • tombeebe

    Posted this in The Political Paradigm Shift debate group with violent responses. Come have a look.

  • Tom

    What a horrendous article and complete failure in basic understanding of political movements. “Nazis. I hate these guys. We know this not just by the flags they are waving but because they believe in universal healthcare…”

  • Alex Wilson

    “What’s astounding about these two groups, Antifa communists and Alt
    Right Nazis is the minimum degrees of separation between their political
    ideals.”

    One of the reasons that the German Nazi party of the ’30s and ’40s was so anti-communist is that they were competing for the same base of support.

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  • As I have said previously, I hate both of them. I hate them for different reasons, but one is not better than the other.

    • Dan McMartin

      Only problem with that comment is that you hate them for different reasons. They are two sides of the same coin. No matter what they call themselves or what flag, ideology or religious zeal they cloak themselves in, they want to cede power to the state to control others they don’t like and design society to their liking. Both are anti liberty and anti individual. They’re headed to the same brutal dictatorship but they can’t agree on the name or how to get there.

  • Aristonothos

    Oh gawd, not Nazis!

    But seriously, let’s look at the facts

    Imagine a situation where mean White nationalists went and said mean things like “I don’t want my people to go extinct”, and no violent communists had showed up.

    Literally no violence would have happened. David Duke, Mike Enoch, Richard Spencer, and so on would have said mean things, and everyone would have gone home.

    If you can draw an equivalence between people who say things you don’t agree with, and people who will use any and all violence necessary to stop them saying things they don’t agree with, you’re not just part of the problem. You are the problem.

    • Chris Ray

      It would appear to me that Antifa is consistently trying to abrogate your first amendment rights to free speech !?

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  • IceTrey

    That last paragraph was some good sarcasm. ????

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  • Steve Louden

    I never, ever thought that I would have to see something like this taking place here in America. This what the democratic party is all about!

  • Steve Louden

    You can always tell when the people in their teens, 20’s and 30’s are posting in these comment sections. They can’t say ANYTHING without dropping the “F-bomb” in their sentences.

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