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Child Gunned Down by Cop for Answering Door Holding Wii Controller (VIDEO)

Posted by Joe Trotter • 19 Feb 2014

 A Wii Remote In No Way Resembles A Firearm

EUHARLEE, Ga. — A Euharlee police officer opened fire on 17-year-old Christopher Roupe while serving a warrant for probation violation on the child’s father, claiming the boy pointed a gun at her. 

But when neighbors ran up the home, they instead found a Wii remote in the boy’s dead hands.

According to the attorney for the family, Cole Law, “The eyewitnesses on the scene clearly state that he had a Wii controller in his hand. He heard a knock at the door. He asked who it was, there was no response so he opened the door and upon opening the door he was immediately shot in the chest.”

The victim, a student at Woodland High School, aspired to join the Marines and participated in his school’s ROTC program.

The officer responsible for the shooting is currently on administrative leave.

How much longer will Americans tolerate the shield of “qualified immunity” that allows police officers to put their lives before those of the citizens they are allegedly sworn to protect?  This shooting comes on the heels of the decision to put the eight Los Angeles police officers responsible for firing 103 shots at two women in a pickup truck delivering newspapers back on the streets with no punishment.

According to the district attorney in that case, the police officers “honestly and reasonably believed” that an armed suspect was driving the truck. Just like this police officer probably “honestly and reasonably” believed that this 17-year-old child’s Wii remote was a gun.

So much for “protect and serve.”  Welcome to “shoot first, justify later.”


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  • Nijah Fowlkes

    Coming from a standpoint, I feel that all cops rape, rob, kill, lie and die over dominating the rest of human population. To me, cops remind us of the Animated Childhood Films that have your inner being ruined. Cops ruined my inner childhood, they’ve ruined all of ours. The question is this: “Are we gonna start a strategic defense or no defense at all?”

  • http://www.seedpeer.me/details/7391729/Alex-Jones-Parody-2.html Arthur Wyss

    The Second Amendment has been interpreted to have some exceptions. For example, ex-felons cannot possess guns, there are age restrictions, mental health restrictions, and certain types of weapons are banned. Police in the USA have a collective mental illness that cumulates in many of them being trigger-happy. We need to take guns away from all mentally defective police, which is 100% of all police in America since they are drunk on power. Even the cops who do not shoot and kill innocent citizens should also be disarmed because they are also brainwashed into the mental illness of the police-state. Everybody else who is not a cop should be allowed to exercise their full Second Amendment rights. That would tend to make cops more respectful of the public.

  • JB Smith

    NSA
    and JNLWD are partnering with Virginia State Police and local police implanting
    people with biochips. Read “A Note
    on Uberveillance” by M. G. and Katina Michael. it enables Uberveillance. “In its ultimate form, überveillance
    has to do with more than automatic identification technologies that we carry
    with us. It has to do with under-the-skin technology that is embedded in the
    body, such as microchip implants; it is that which cuts into the flesh – a
    charagma (mark). Think of it as Big Brother on the inside looking out.” Newport News Police and Virginia State Police
    had a doctor implant me w/o my knowledge and consent with a biochip. A U. S.
    Attorney for the NSA/DOJ pretended to be my attorney. It enables torture and thought monitoring.
    They use it as a sensor and pulse energy projectiles at you. I had a heart
    attack. It enables voice to skull communication. See LRAD white papers or audio
    spotlight by Holosonics. Law enforcement
    believes we will only be safe if they know where we are at all times, what we
    are doing and what we are thinking! See Safeguards in a World of Ambient
    Intelligence by Springer page 9. See Mental Health and Terrorism by Amin
    Gadit. He states, “Of late, there are reports of a new and
    dreadful invention of weapons of violence that are called Bioelectromagnetic
    Weapons. According to the description by an Institute of Science in Society,
    these weapons operate at the speed of light, can kill, torture and enslave
    without making physical appearance. It further adds that voices and visions,
    daydreams and nightmares are the most astonishing manifestations of this weapon
    system, it is also capable of crippling the human subject by limiting his/her
    normal range of movement, causing acute pain the equivalent of major organ
    failure or even death and interferes with normal functions of human senses. It
    can cause difficulty with breathing and induce seizures besides damage to the
    tissues and organs. Through this form of terrorism, it is possible to persuade
    subjects that their mind is being read; their intellectual property is being
    plundered and can even motivate suicide or murder. Pulsed Energy projectiles
    (PEPs) are another form of weaponry that is used to paralyze a victim with
    pain. According to Peter Philips, a scientist from USA, circumstances may soon
    arrive in which anti-war or human right protestors suddenly feel a burning
    sensation akin to touching a hot skillet over their entire body. Simultaneously
    they may hear terrifying nauseating screaming, which while not produced
    externally, fills their brains with overwhelming disruption. This new invention
    is dreadful addition to the armamentarium of weapons of abuse and torture.
    Manifestations of the effects of these occult weapons can mimic mental ill
    health and add further to the misery of the victims.” See Bio Initiative
    Report 2012. See Forbes and search Brandon Raub. Law enforcement tases citizens
    into “excited delirium” (see at nij org) to make them act in ways
    they normally would not. I believe they are directly responsible for the
    Virginia Tech massacre. There are 3 reasons to have it implanted 1) mental
    health, 2) criminal record, and 3) infectious disease. If you don’t meet any of
    those requirements like me, they’ll falsify your records. All the mass shootings
    are the work of law enforcement. They want to take away your right to bear arms
    and make America a police state. People aren’t suddenly going crazy, they’re
    being tortured. I also believe the biochip to be responsible for PTSD. Read Brian Castner’s book “A Long
    Walk”. I have the same ambiguous
    pains, twitches, heart attack, night mares, day mares, gurgling, etc. I never served in the war. What do we have in
    common? The biochip. Suicide is one way to get relief. Virginia’s suicide rate is higher than the
    national average and the military suicide rate is unacceptable! You can check
    your upper right buttock, upper right shoulder.
    They are just under the skin. I have been in excruciating pain for six
    years due to corruption in Virginia.

  • James Sengoku

    17 makes you a teenager,not a child.

  • Travis Badjib

    this is crap….cops need to be told to take a step back and actually analyze this sh*t before they pull their god damn gun and start shooting, yeah its a high stress job, but that isn’t an excuse and all these people who have shot at or killed someone without cause need to be fired.

  • Helioptile

    Wow.
    What a dumbass cop she is.

  • Kosog

    How fucking dumb is the government? Just execute the police officer to death for fucks sake.

  • olaler

    Administrative leave ? – a civilian would be in jail for murder ! Cops should have to abide by the laws they enforce- that means, in New york City, they just carry pepper spray and night sticks, like British cops.

  • Jim

    SHE was totally unqualified to be a cop. BUT due to Affirmative Action to hire more people of different race/sex/ethnicities the skip over better qualified candidates cause they happen to be white.
    THE POLICE OFFICER IN QUESTION, should face MURDER 2 charges. HER life was NOT in danger. There was NO reason for her to have her gun drawn. Seriously, if they wanted that guy, they could stake out the house, wait for him to COME OUTSIDE to go to the store. THEN arrest him. THAT way they don’t put innocent bystanders at risk. BUT no…. COPS wanna go do the RAID thing and feel like a badass.

  • dougiefresh85

    It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

  • ElderOwl

    The cops are just another street gang only they’re supported by our tax dollars.

  • ElderOwl

    Until cops start getting jail time for killing people, they’ll keep doing it.

  • people are so annoying

    Everyone is missing the point. An innocent child was KILLED based on some idea that he was holding a weapon, aka a wii controller. Police need to step up their game and be more careful. That’s all. Now shut up and go back to what you guys were doing.

    • Bob Sims

      “Be more careful?” Is that all you have to say? “Shut up and go back to whatever you were doing?” Is that it for you? Your icon name (since you are afraid to use your real name) tells it all about you: the only person here that is “annoying” is YOU. What are you, a cop, in hiding? You are totally despicable.

  • Keith Cameron

    We the Citizens of the USA have allowed our civilian Police forces to foster a Philosophy of “Comply or Die”: It’s time we took our power back!

  • Composer8781

    I’m confused. Were there eye witnesses that were at the house or were the neighbors the eye witnesses? Because if the neighbors had to run up to the house to see the officer crying and discover the Wii remote then where did the eye witness report the lawyer gave come from? It sounds like its from the point of the view of the victim who was killed. If the lawyer did fabricate the eye witness report, the prosecution may have trouble with this case because it really doesn’t add up.

    Still sad for the boy and his family.

    • Keith Cameron

      His sister was there asshat!

      • Composer8781

        Well, that was unnecessary.

      • Composer8781

        Do you think you can reply with a more mature response to the fact that I watched the video twice and read this article and no where does it say his sister saw the entire thing unfold. Also, at the end of the report there is claim that a bb gun might have been involved. How in the world do you get a bb gun confused with a Wii remote? Bottom line is that someone is lying, and there isn’t yet enough evidence to prove who is.

    • ElderOwl

      Sounds as if the cops are the ones who are fabricating the story.

  • Sassy3000

    And here we have the brown shirts in action! And the pukes who will protect them RATHER THEN THE CITIZENS! Shame on them! But of course they have no honor and no integrity! I wonder how long before these Dirty Cops begin GOOSE-STEPPING openly on the streets!

  • Padpaw22 .

    I am posting this everywhere I can.

    people should be rioting over this, even if he had a gun in his hand, he is legally allowed to defend his home. The fact the cop opened fire as soon as the door opened meant she planned to shoot regardless of who answered the door or what they had in their hands if anything.

  • Soldier

    Fucking disgusting, the Officers involved should be fired and lose their pensions. Possible criminal charges should also be brought up against the officers.

  • TylerDurden

    In Indiana it is legal for the father to kill the cop for this in the moment. I guess this is what you get when you hire a woman to do a man’s job. Females are more likely to mistakenly use their firearm. (Lott. 2000)

  • disqus_RMRUI9driJ

    Time to start killing these bad cops if justice does not prevail, vigilante justice neefds to start now

    • ElderOwl

      I’m not for killing cops but I think they need to go to jail when they kill someone and then perhaps they’ll think twice before pulling the trigger. Where there is not justice for all there is no justice at all!

  • Tom Meyers

    This as sad as it gets….. and it’s becoming a trend…..

  • Mitch Pantharen

    Question:

    How do you tell the difference between a Canadian Police Officer,

    Russian Police Officer, and an American Police Officer?

    Pose the following question:

    You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock 40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.

    What do you do?

    CANADIAN POLICE OFFICERS

    Answer: (Immediate thought processes)

    Is the knife a ceremonial kirpan?

    Does he prefer to communicate in English or French?

    Will this negatively impact my chances of promotion?

    Is this just his way of telling me that he pays my wages, and wants my job?

    Would this be an appropriate time to hug him and sing Koombaya?

    Will the media do a profile of him and how he was loved by everyone including his dog?

    Is the alleged “client” a member of the NDP or an Environmental Group?

    Is he just a squeegee kid / pan handler trying to make a living on the mean streets?

    Is he a member of a gang that is just “misunderstood” by society?

    Is he a recent illegal immigrant to this country, and just doesn’t know how to approach the police?

    Is he recently released on parole and hasn’t been properly integrated back into the community?

    Is he a victim of fetal alcohol syndrome, and just doesn’t understand what he is doing?

    Is he a member of the Muslim community or other visible minority group?

    Warn and Charter him as he approaches.

    If all else fails, before discharging your firearm, employ the use of a Taser gun, to quietly subdue the person.

    RUSSIAN OFFICERS

    Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG!

    &

    AMERICAN OFFICERS

    Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

    BANG! BANG! BANG! Click, Click, Click…… (Sounds of reloading) BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click, Click, Click, Click.

  • Guest

    Question:

    How do you tell the difference between a Canadian Police Officer,

    Australian Police Officer, and an American Police Officer?

    Pose the following question:

    You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock 40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.

    What do you do?

    CANADIAN POLICE OFFICERS

    Answer: (Immediate thought processes)

    Is the knife a ceremonial kirpan?

    Does he prefer to communicate in English or French?

    Will this negatively impact my chances of promotion?

    Is this just his way of telling me that he pays my wages, and wants my job?

    Would this be an appropriate time to hug him and sing Koombaya?

    Will the media do a profile of him and how he was loved by everyone including his dog?

    Is the alleged “client” a member of the NDP or an Environmental Group?

    Is he just a squeegee kid / pan handler trying to make a living on the mean streets?

    Is he a member of a gang that is just “misunderstood” by society?

    Is he a recent illegal immigrant to this country, and just doesn’t know how to approach the police?

    Is he recently released on parole and hasn’t been properly integrated back into the community?

    Is he a victim of fetal alcohol syndrome, and just doesn’t understand what he is doing?

    Is he a member of the Muslim community or other visible minority group?

    Warn and Charter him as he approaches.

    If all else fails, before discharging your firearm, employ the use of a Taser gun, to quietly subdue the person.

    RUSSIAN POLICE OFFICERS

    Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

    AMERICAN OFFICERS

    Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
    BANG! BANG! BANG! Click…. (Sounds of reloading) BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click click click click.

  • Englishman

    Boom! Chest shot! You reckon it went straight through him?

    • bob

      retard

  • Chuck Robey

    This Cop should be tried and when found guilty put to death for murder

    • billhook

      That kinda cheapens premeditated or aggravated homicide. I’d settle for 30 years at hard labor.

  • Wildbeast

    Cops have to much power, and most are the kids that were picked on in school, so they have a vengence to get out, along with they are scared punks thinking everyone is out to harm them. By them acting this way, with paid leave, no repercussions for them killing people, people will step up and hopefully revamp the police and their power. I know there are a few good cops out there, but the majority are just as guilty as the people they harass/arrest.

  • Princess Kelli

    you people are all insane. There are bad cops. There are good cops. There are good people and bad people.. you cannot clump everyone into one tiny little hole because it suits your view of them. grow up. really.

    • dage

      take the dick out of your mouth. cops all have the same power, it’s the power that’s the problem.

    • Randy

      You’re not very bright, are you? You can’t see the lopsidedness of it?

      • Bob Sims

        She is as dumb as a rock, and she represents a major problem, that of maintaining the status quo due to extreme ignorance coupled with arrogant stupidity. She even believes that she is a “Princess.”

    • Anthony Buisc

      All the “good cops” are too cowardly to do anything other than turn a blind eye to the abuses of the bad cops.

      That’s a problem. A very serious problem. There’s a culture of compliance which ends up promoting criminal activity among law enforcement. Every single day there is a new story in the news regarding police abusing their authority only to receive paid leave and pat on the back.

    • Bob Sims

      You have just proven BOTH your extreme ignorance and your arrogant stupidity. You know nothing about how policemen stand up and lie for their “brothers.” They are both cowards and bullies hiding the truth. So, “Princess,” change your name to “Court Jester.”

  • Eric Robertson

    If we really want to reduce the authority of the police, We the People need to first dramatically reduce the number and complexity of our laws.

    I strongly recommend getting rid of all neighbor vs neighbor laws, also known as vice laws.

  • launa

    @guydaley:disqus This is a bit off topic, but I apologize for my tart reply- i was feeling a bit insulted; and although i tried to delete it, it just moved it to guest. I misinterpreted your comment.

  • http://www.Bungle.net/ Stoshy

    JROTC, not ROTC. ROTC is college. He was in High School.

    Why was the Officer at their door? Why did the Officer join the force if they are going to panic and fire upon a child with a remote in his hand? The time it took for the child to open the door and confront the Officer, did they really not have time to think and verify their would-be threat?

    It’s not a matter of a police state, far from it. It’s a matter of someone that became a police officer that should not have. They cannot deal with the stress of danger and let their panic get the best of their reactions.

    Had it been me, I would have taken a bullet before using my firearm without certainty.

    This is the reason children are killed for water guns. This is the reason innocent people are gunned down when they were not a threat at all.

    Police Officers fear for their lives. There are people that do no cooperate. There are people that wish to do them harm. I know for a fact they are trained to defend themselves in the event a weapon is drawn.

    However, some react before confirming the threat.

    I doubt she meant to meant to harm the child, instead panicked to save her own life believing herself to be in danger. Nonetheless, the lack of self discipline is what killed the kid in the end.

    Sad.

    What is disgusting is that she goes on record saying that the kid pointed a gun at her. Pathetic.

    • Data Schmata

      This is precisely a matter of our current police state, and an understanding of the history of police forces and how they’ve developed over time would make this clear.

      Police are a modern attempt at government crime management. This role is largely ostensible. As a matter of course, people with sociopathic tendencies and low to average intelligence are hired.

      This is intentional.

      • billhook

        These people have always made the best unquestioning killers.

    • Wildbeast

      I always ask, why do COPS get to shoot first while our MILITARY must be shot at first before returning fire. Society must rid itself of this police system, it’s trash, empowers those who should not be empowered. Don’t even need a High School Diploma to be a cop, shows you how much intelligence the job requires.

      • Hinikuna Dansei

        The ROEs overseas weren’t that way initially, but once they were changed to that philosophy in late 2009 (“get shot at first before shooting back”), thanks to Obama, casualty rates surged in 2010 to almost triple the rate of the previous year. It’s not a good philosophy, and a dumb one if you ask me.

  • KyutaSyuko

    According to the Supreme Court the police aren’t there to serve and protect they’re there to uphold the law. As a commenter pointed out a police’s job doesn’t start until after the law has been broken…

  • Steven

    And there was no recovered gun to prove he actually had a gun?… I do not see a defense for the cop if they can’t even present the firearm that he supposedly had. But knowing our justice system she may loose her job or be on leave for a while until everyone forgets this happened and the next big death story makes headlines. Love this country…

  • Evin

    Remember the 2nd amendment is only for police and military….

  • OcarinaPlayerOfTime

    omg. I have pratically no words to say about this. I’m speechless to the core. It’s just…. wow.

  • Hinikuna Dansei

    Google “wii gun” and you’ll see lots of realistic-looking controllers. We’re only hearing one side of the story here, it’ll be interesting to see the whole thing when it comes to light.

    • VladNorris

      Bullshit.
      Even if the gun looked realistic, a well trained police officer wouldn’t shoot first.

      • Hinikuna Dansei

        That’s a bold assumption, considering the very little information we had. How the young man was holding it, what the lighting level was like, what the warrant was for, how fatigued the officer was that day, how the young man answered the door, and hundreds of other variables could all play into a situation like that. There are accidental shootings every year of people carrying realistic looking weapons that officers believed were weapons, and in many cases they had every right to be concerned. Obviously we don’t know the full story so I’m not jumping on either side of the fence just yet, but considering the little information we have we can’t automatically assume “a well trained police officer wouldn’t shoot first.”

        • VladNorris

          “That’s a bold assumption”
          It isn’t. There are protocols a police officer should follow, and one of them includes not shooting unless necessary. Even when pursuing a confirmed criminal, police officers don’t shoot unless having someone opposing directly to them in a way that threatens them or civilians. Basically, if she saw a gun, THE POLICE PROTOCOL SHE SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED is to point her gun, announce the suspect to release their weapon, and see how the situation advances, ALL OF THIS COMES BEFORE SHOOTING. Yet she shot first. Negligence or stupidity it isn’t justified, and none of the factors you mentioned are relevant to that protocol.

          “There are accidental shootings every year of people carrying realistic looking weapons that officers believed were weapons, and in many cases they had every right to be concerned”

          Again, bullshit. DO they have the right to feel concerned? Yes. Does that justify to shoot first in an act of negligence that cost THE LIFE OF A PERSON in the process? Absolutely no.

          “considering the little information we have we can’t automatically assume “a well trained police officer wouldn’t shoot first.”"

          YES, WE CAN. Police officers are trained to operate in conditions a civilian wouldn’t. They are trained to keep calm and not just shoot the moment someone seems to have a gun.

          • Hinikuna Dansei

            So to confirm that it’s a real gun and a threat to an officer, next time an officer should let themselves be shot first just to make sure it’s real and that the suspect really intended to use it? Self defense laws apply to police officers just as much as civilians. If you are in genuine concern for your safety due to someone’s actions, to the point where you feel you may be killed and/or seriously injured, and with knowing the facts that they knew at the time (e.g. it looked like a gun and not a Wii remote at the time), then deadly force to protect yourself is justified. If a civilian can present the same defense (e.g. George Zimmerman), why can’t a police officer?

            • KevinJ

              Irrelevant. Unarmed minor. Shot and killed in his own home. You can trot out whatever circumstances you want, there’s no way its anything other than unjustified homicide. You spout a lot of platitudes about “waiting for the facts come out” and then you attempt to cloud the discussion with massive amounts of speculation.

              • Hinikuna Dansei

                So we should now automatically assume everyone is guilty from just one news article? If you feel everyone is guilty until proven innocent, you need to find another site to post on other than a libertarian one.

                And no, there are many other ways it could go other than being “unjustified homicide”. Again, reasonable person standard. Look it up and get educated on the American legal system.

                • KevinJ

                  Uh… no. If you would do us the courtesy of actually READING what we write before you start vomiting your reply… I suggested the police office have due process and their day in court, hence… a full uncovering of the facts in a place that matters. And no… there a number of different ways someone as yourself can choose to color it, but none that lend you any credibility.

                  • Hinikuna Dansei

                    Then you’re a hypocrite to claim due process in one post then condemn it as unjustified homicide in another without allowing the same.

            • VladNorris

              “So to confirm that it’s a real gun and a threat to an officer, next time an officer should let themselves be shot first just to make sure it’s real and that the suspect really intended to use it?”
              Actually, kind of. It’s a hella lot better than killing a teenager for merely opening a door. Besides, the moment one draws a gun, you can see a reaction. Unless the victim here was a aggressive to a gun being pointed to him, there’s no reasonable way she could have thought the controller in his hand was a weapon.

              ” We don’t know if she said anything at all, as the article does not say either way. You’re just making an assumption off of what one side of the story says.”

              And you’re making bullshitty excuses. If she did say something, it would have been made evident the “weapon” wasn’t but a Wii mote.

              There’s no fucking way to justify it, there just isn’t.

              • Hinikuna Dansei

                Again, we don’t know if it was the Wii remote pictured above, or one of the very realistic-looking Wii gun controllers you can find on Google. As one neighbor said, he may have thought it was his friends and that they were playing a game, so none of us know how he answered the door. If he had the gun controller in his hand and answered the door thinking it was his friends and pointed the gun controller at the officers, would they still be totally unjustified?

                Hindsight is always 20/20 but that’s why in the legal system they have the reasonable person standard. You can only use the facts that that individual would know at the time of the incident, not rely on the fact that we can look back in time and see what was and what wasn’t.

                • KevinJ

                  Again… he’s in his own home! Not breaking the law! Not holding a hostage or firing bullets into the street! He’s allowed to answer his door with a REAL gun in his hand and not be shot over it, much less a toy one or a “shiny” object.

                  • Hinikuna Dansei

                    Again, it all goes back to how he answered the door, what the officer saw, and far too many other variables we can’t address on here. Everything will come out in the end, and we’ll see the Cliffs Note version, but no one posting here will ever know what exactly occurred there.

                    • KevinJ

                      All I’m insisting upon is that this cop should be treated EXACTLY like any citizen that had done the same thing. You seem to have a huge problem with that and want to extend de facto special circumstances to her because she was a police officer. THAT is the core of the problem that creates the negative sentiment to the cops you see here. Enough with the ridiculous rationalization about the “difficult job” and the “dangerous profession” and all the bullshit circumstantial speculation you constantly throw out. An unarmed kid is dead. A cop did it. Arrest her (which is exactly what would happen to you or me), investigate her for criminal charges, and expose her to the possibility of civil liability.

                    • Hinikuna Dansei

                      In that case, then I agree entirely. I’m not trying to give her special circumstances either, but being a police officer she was legally at the door with a handgun when this entire situation occurred. I never anywhere said it was a “difficult job” or a “dangerous profession”, don’t put words in my mouth. Once they investigate, if she should be charged then yes charge her. Why arrest her the same day? Then you don’t have the time to get all the facts together and weaken your case, possibly to the point of losing it. It took them six weeks to charge Zimmerman. That’s why we need to see what the investigation says at the end, and not a sensationalized news article.

            • William Henry Bowen

              Zimmerman was being physically assaulted when he shot Trayvon Martin – this criminal cop was not.

              • Hinikuna Dansei

                Zimmerman was in fear for his own personal safety and afraid he was going to be seriously injured and/or killed. If this female officer honestly thought she saw a firearm in this young man’s hand and thought it was a threat to her own personal safety, then it is not very different at all.

    • dage

      i googled “idiot” and it took me to this comment.

  • supersungin

    the same happened in iraq (collateral murder) american are hungry to shoot the hell out of life’s for enjoyment

    • Sez Eye

      Projection?

  • IHateFatChicks

    Most LE is comprised primarily of narcissistic sociopaths, pathological liars, violent psychopaths and double digit IQ troglodytes. It attracts the broken bullies and losers of society.

    • Hinikuna Dansei

      So I take it you’re law enforcement then?

      • Keith Cameron

        Smart assed quips don’t validate your point Hin. The average Cop today is a moral and physical coward.

        • Hinikuna Dansei

          The only point I was trying to make is IHFC making a ridiculous stereotype. No one group of people acts a certain way – if you think so, you’re just an ignorant bigot. Even saying “the average X” puts you in that same category.

      • billhook

        How about you?

        • Hinikuna Dansei

          Nope. I work in the legal system, but I’m not police/corrections/deputy/anything like that.

  • KevinJ

    The kid could have come to the door with a shotgun in one hand, and a crackpipe in the other…. still unjustified. The cop should be fired, arrested, and tried for illegal homicide on some level. And all you apologizers for the cops can save your breath and the “sure, but what if we are coming to rescue you or your loved ones.” Enough with the hero worship of a profession that attracts at least as many ignorant sociopaths as it does legitimate civic minded individuals.

    • Hinikuna Dansei

      Unjustified based on the limited information and one side of the story we have, yes. But there’s two sides to each story and I imagine more went down that night than just the few paragraphs of this article. Perhaps before jumping on either side you may want to sit on the fence and wait until all the facts come out.

  • Jean Valjean

    What I’ve noticed when a female officers kills or abuses someone they don’t tell us her name. If it’s a male, even if there is only an accusation that isn’t very credible, if it makes the news then they will tell us his name.

    But this “officer” shot a kid holding a Wii controller and we know she did it and there’s not dispute about it but we don’t know her name.

    Why is that? Why it is men get held accountable but women get protected? I thought we were all supposed to be equal? Why do women always get a pass?

  • Freedom Fighter88

    It is time to think about how to overthrown the government by force. This is Tyranny folks. The Government does not care about you at all. They shoot you for having a controller in your hand. Time to overthrow or we will all die like this kid. Time to stop paying taxes to this asinine government and stop giving them power. It is time to take away the power from them. Oh and those drones can be hacked. This nightmare will end when you the people decide that enough is enough. The truth is there are no rules. So every citizen will be labeled a terrorist. All I have to say is that if you are sick of the way things are FIGHT THEM WITH FORCE. Peaceful protest mean nothing they will kill you. They are going to kill you anyway so go fight. It is time to do what the Ukraine are doing. Just go and fight if you want REAL difference. Now if you are going to respond to this and say that “Oh they are too powerful!”, You are already dead. If this is truly the only life you get to live forever you better stop creating excuses and fight for your existence. There is no GOD coming to save anyone. GOD is just Government Over District. There is no powerful Wizard coming form the sky coming to save you. You people are the district and this tyranny need to stop. I am done with the rant. It is time to go Ukraine on them.

  • Rex Smith

    the cop must of thought he was in the wrong be for he Knocked on the door!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/IAmDeepSpace Deep Space

    These rapid Oath-Breaking PIGS are out of control. They need to be SNIPED.

    • Sez Eye

      No, they need to be tried, convicted, and put in gen pop just like the rest of us would be if we did the same thing.

  • Garnette

    The police should just come right out and say that the 3 strikes law sucks and has them all fearing for their lives. The thought of dealing with people every single day who have strikes and are so desperate to stay out of prison for life they are willing to shoot it out over a traffic stop.. for a probation violation visit.. for a couple of marijuana plants.. has them all “fearing for their lives”, going agro and shooting people without cause.

    • Sez Eye

      I take it you don’t like the 3 strikes law. Have 2 yourself?
      I have seen nothing that would indicate that LE injuries have gone up due to the 3 strike laws, and indeed would think that when you put felons away for good that their risk would decrease. Do you have anything to support your comment?

      • Garnette

        No, actually I have no strikes and my comment was after discussing this with an officer. It really makes perfect sense if you just stop and think about it. Some fool doing stupid stuff like shoplifting or some bs parole violation becomes a killer because he’s afraid of going to prison for life?? willing to shoot a cop??? Let the punishment suit the crime.
        Violent crimes? sure put them away for life even on the first strike if that is what it merits.

        The way it is now all those petty criminals out there become potential cop killers and the cops know that so they have to approach everyone as if they are armed and ready to kill to avoid life in prison. They are on edge and shooting what turns out to be unarmed people to avoid getting shot themselves. This boy was shot and killed by a cop who was afraid of getting shot herself over serving a parole violation….tragic!

        This must have been a really serious violation to have appeared unannounced at the door guns drawn and ready to kill.. Does anyone know what it was?

        And I didn’t say anything about le injuries going up due to the law??

  • Keith Cameron

    If our ‘Soldiers’ (serving in War zones) are not allowed to fire unless fired upon, should our Police be held to the same standard?

  • Joseph C. Krywalski

    Ok 1-How many times did she tell him to drop the “gun”? NONE! 2- WHY Did she have her gun drawn in the first place? 3- Was ANY gun found in the place AT ALL? 4- They are supposed to announce police when they knock! I could go on but I would have more questions than there would be answers. This is another example of the sad state this country is in where Citizens have no rights as in the country of Germany before WWII when the people had no rights and could be shot for no reason!!

    • Hinikuna Dansei

      1. That we know of. All we got was a statement from the lawyer, not from her. 2. She was serving an arrest warrant, and I doubt most people want to go willingly back to jail without a fight. 3. They never specified in either way, but guns found in the house not related to the incident shouldn’t matter anyways. 4. Again, we don’t know if they did or not – we just have one side of the story, from the family’s attorney. “Knock and announce” has been a rule since 1995 so I find it unlikely they didn’t.

  • warisaracketbysmedleybutler

    I wonder if she had trained with the new “no hesitation” targets that the government is buying…..You know the ones that have pictures of grandma and grandpa holding guns pointed at you in their living room and pregnant women and children holding guns pointed at you as well.

  • Jason Vega

    At least the cops were not raping the kids like at columbine. this is more of a clean homicide right? maybe some paid time off now, by some new mags for the glock, shoot a hole in the stove

  • Sez Eye

    Yet another reason why “Only the police should have firearms” is societal suicide.

  • Joshua

    Here’s a thought… Instead of looking at the negative things that have occurred in the police force, how about we turn our heads to the thousands of lives that have been saved by the police force?
    Nearly every single person who has commented on this thread, are absolutely stupid…borderline retarded. If you don’t like how America keeps their laws in place, you have two options: get out of this country or shut your mouths. It’s aggravating reading the comments that idiots post. What are all of you going to say to that?

    • Sez Eye

      The third option of course is to hold police responsible for their actions, just like we are. Do that and most of the negative comments you see will go away.

      BTW, you do know that the police have NO responsibility to protect you and yours, right?

    • robby

      Your an idiot. When did people become so helpless that they require an armed force of retards to “protect” them and their families? How about we stop brainwashing our children to think that guns are bad, that they cant take care of themselves, and that the police are our knights in shining armor.

    • Garnette

      No… you’re wrong. Well.. you’re right in that officers have saved lives and I don’t think anyone would dispute that. Where you’re wrong is thinking that citizens of this country have to either accept these kinds of abuses and shut up or leave the country. You’re very wrong.

    • Keith Cameron

      I would not ‘insult’ the borderline retarded by thinking even for the briefest moment that you could some how elevate your intellect to their level.

      It’s people like you Joshua that this country would best be rid of.

    • Freedom Fighter88

      You are part of the problem. No we will not shut up or leave. We will fight defending our rights as human beings or die trying.

  • hp b

    Officer safety! Officer safety! Officer safety!
    I was skeeeered! I was skeeeered! I was skeeeeered!
    I had to kill him/her/them/it..

  • Ethan Koernke

    This is why Police and Sheriffs Departments
    shouldn’t watch C.O.P.S. or any Police TV shows. It has conditioned the
    Police and peace Officers into the Idea that everyone is out to kill
    them all.

  • CWR

    We need to enforce the law with a lawless police force.
    Privatize this welfare queen operation and then we can start holding people accountable

  • Daryl Revok

    These police departments need to stop hiring cowards. Only a coward reacts by pulling their gun and shooting before any real threat is identified.

  • Texas4

    The officer should do us all a favor a shoot herself! The police are out of control. “Protect and serve” is replaced with “abuse everybody and do whatever the hell we want to do”. All you guns owners, stock up on ammo!

  • Donna Kittrell

    If police officers are so afraid they’re going to be shot then get a different job. If your job causes parinoia, than get a another job. Stop killing innocent people because you think everyone is out to kill you. This is getting entirely out of hand. I always understood that when an officer decides to take the job, he was putting his life on the line to protect others. Where did that concept go?

  • George

    Its ok everyone knows that our lives don’t have value.
    Were just cattle and the bully-boy cops are above the law.

  • mme121413

    What does it matter if they referred to the boy as a child? If it was a 17 year old girl sleeping with a 24 year old, she would absolutely be considered a child. So why does it matter they called this 17 year old boy a child? He was somebodys child. Point blank. So yeah, he may have been very close to adulthood but fact of the matter is he wasn’t able to make it that far. Prayers to this boys family.

    • billhook

      He’d be called a child if he got shot committing a robbery or assault by our media, but when a cop mistakenly thinks he’s threatening her and guns him down, he’s not.

  • dinkster

    Assuming she didn’t have a ‘no knock warrant,’ how was this justified even if he did have a firearm? If she didn’t announce herself, she could have been anyone.

  • Sambo Caesar

    They need to stop pinning badges on people with the IQ of a dogturd.

    • billhook

      Cops have an average IQ, statistically, but let’s not forget that includes senior level officers and detectives to pull it up. The average street cop is likely significantly dumber.

  • sidneydave

    It’s time to take the guns away from cops. More innocent citizens are being killed by cops than cops being killed by innocent civilians.

  • Guest

    Everyone should become a cop killer!

  • Max

    and they want our guns….. i think not….

    • billhook

      Bullets first.

  • Doug Alexander

    Another travesty involving a innocent citizen being killed by cops? The video makes it clear that there are two stories, A wii controller or a bb gun? If in fact it was a bb gun? But for a cop to knock on the door and not announce that it is the police? So bottom line someone else is dead because a cop killed them. There are just too many of these happening to sweep them under the rug. Until police are held to a higher standard they will continue. Just like the la cops that unloaded their guns into the pickup and again was not even close to who they were looking for. The biggest gang in the world is the cops and they stick up for each other. I believe that most people fear policemen, and when shootings like this happen it just fuels more fear. I read a comment here something like a shift supervisor or team leader should be the only cop with a gun and I think that has some credence to it. And the other cops under that leader could have pepper spray or a taser? I do not know the answer but I do know that until cops that are unjustified in killing a human being should be held accountable for that, the same as a citizen would be if they are a registered hand gun owner. If someone knocked on my door and did not announce who they were when I asked, they might not get the first shot off cop or no cop!

  • Susan Adams

    If the cop is that jumpy, she shouldn’t be a cop. A cop must be willing to risk her life to protect the people. That means being sure of imminent danger before shooting another person.

  • Chan Mac

    These m o f o s are beyond out of hand :/

  • Kimberlee Clark

    Hitler’s Civilian Army .Obama’s Civilian Army .

  • jimmyt

    Police are the real terrorists in America.

    They should be treated as such

    • Mick

      Absolutely. This is without a single doubt now tyrannical police state, and the police are viewed as dangerous enemies by me in any encounter whatsoever until they demonstrate they are capable of reasonable talk and non violent resolution. I trust none of them, I don’t talk if I don’t have to, and I don’t consent to searches. I say this as a former police officer and former solider, from a family of nothing but cops, firefighters, and soldiers. My charge is now to fight the police state. I have zero respect anymore by default for so-called “law enforcement” in this country, and that’s because they are abusive of liberty. According to DoJ statistics, Americans are 8 TIMES more likely to be killed by the police than by a terrorist attack. I think that says enough for me. Why do we have my brothers in Afghanistan, when the real oppressive regime can be found in every town of this land wearing badges of pretended authority that is maintained only through violence and not benevolence and justice?

  • Jacob Messer

    So if I shoot a cop because I honestly believed he was going to shoot me that’s a good enough excuse and I wouldn’t be put in cuffs or be in jail? The double standard for these lawless fucks is almost as bad s the actions

  • Zakk Osborne

    I could never in a million years picture myself pointing a gun at, or shooting, anyone. As I see stories like this one start multiplying, first once a week or so to once every few hours, I have come to re-evaluate my position. A few months ago I would condemn calls of violence against people. Well, again, I have come to re-evaluate my position. I never thought it would happen, but we the people need to start bringing back the railroad ties, buckets of tar, sacks of feathers, and learn how to tie nooses again. This crap has gone too far. It’s time.

    • Mitchell Bupp

      Can we start with the banksters and politicians ….

      • Jonathan Deitch

        Take away their army and they’ll be easy pickin~

  • David Dickey

    for the cop to not respond when asked who is knocking on the door shows lack of professionalism.when the person opens the door and is shot as fast he was she was already expecting trouble or is a quick draw shooter.the last time i had a cop draw on me they actually took the time to tell me to put my hands so the could see what had in my hands cause we all know that a nerf football is a dead weapon.after reading about the guy who wanted to be a cop but was turned because he was too smart i am wondering if i am living in the times of the idiocrosy(thats a movie).

    • Mitchell Bupp

      Brawndo … it’s got electrolytes…

  • Ohiogunr

    How about if YOU Shot and killed a cop who just broke down the door and entered your house?? Wonder where YOU would find yourself??? This crap is fostered by liberal politicians. FIRE all DEMOCRATS!

    • billhook

      GOP is to blame too.

  • h5mind

    There is a huge difference between the ‘Peace Officer’ of yore and the militarized ‘policy’ officers of today. The former was indeed tasked with safeguarding citizens and their property. Police, on the other hand, live to enforce policy/regulations, while maximizing revenue for the State. Several recent court cases have stated police are “under no obligation to prevent injury or loss to citizens”. Remember that the next time you’re tempted to dial ’911′.

  • OldManMtn

    according to the story, seems the coward cop must have had her gun out already.
    2nd degree murder.

    • Volomon

      Hello, I remember you from YouTube. We were debating about Groupies via KISS video :D

    • Hinikuna Dansei

      Murder is all about intent. in this case, if she is charged she’ll most likely be looking at involuntary manslaughter at the highest.

      • OldManMtn

        she had her gun out, according to the account — otherwise how could she have fired off so fast.

        She was all too ready and LOOKING to shoot someone.

        • Hinikuna Dansei

          Or looking to protect herself as she was serving a warrant at the time. An officer having her gun out in case she needs it isn’t the issue here – it’s what her intentions were. If she should be charged and they charge her with murder, then it’s foolish as it doesn’t meet the criteria and most likely she’ll be found innocent. As I stated earlier, the degrees of murder or manslaughter charged are based primarily on intent.

  • Toeknee36

    “currently on administrative leave” and not in a cell where us peasants would be while the crime was being investigated.

    • Burt Bell

      and you can bet your ass if one of us had shot a burglar stumbling through our bedroom in the night, we would be awaiting their investigation in a cell.

    • Byron

      And still getting paid, natch.

  • Leftbehind

    Cop needs to be Charged with at least 2nd Degree Murder .

  • Tim Cich

    And some people wonder why the Feds are transferring military weapons and assault vehicles to these police dept’s. No way would I be caught living in a city or big town when this breaks lose. The end is closer than you may want to believe.

    • Volomon

      Do you live in the country? What’s it like?

      • Tim Cich

        Use to live in the big city, live in the country now and would never move back. Tight neighbors who all watch out for each other.

        • Volomon

          Always wondered about it. Seems idyllic.

  • Seth Murray

    This is why police should not carry guns. They are generally too stupid and careless to be equipped with lethal weapons.

  • Mark Stuber

    Although
    I agree with the sentiment of the following sentence, “How
    much longer will Americans tolerate the shield of “qualified
    immunity” that allows police officers to put their lives before
    those of the citizens they are allegedly sworn to protect?”, I
    don’t appreciate the deceptiveness of calling a 17 year old “a
    child.”

    • Joe Trotter

      I’m simply referring to the fact that this young man was below the legal age of majority and was still dependent on his parents. By many definitions, particular legal ones, he was a child. There is no intended deceptiveness on my part, but I do realize other people primarily define “child” as those who have yet to reach puberty.

      • Mark Stuber

        Joe. There is a big difference between being scared of a 17 year old and a 10 year old. A 17 year old is a lot closer to a 24 year old in this regard.

        Why didn’t you choose the word teenager. You are setting up a false dichotomy. Adult and child were not you only obvious options, You are no world smith and difenatly do not have the skills to be a journalist if those are the only two words you could think of. Pretending legal definitions restrict your use of words is absurd. Actually, in terms of legality, the age of the victim makes no difference here. She was not selling beer. She killed someone. There is no provision in the law that makes it a crime to kill a person under 18 but not someone 18 years and one day.

        You used the word “child” in the head line merely because it is more sensational.

        • MacKenzie

          And there’s a reason we use law to regulate society, not instinct. Appearances can be deceptive, instinctive reactions are not necessarily the right ones. The age of the victim is certainly a matter when it comes to a positive defense.

          If the picture above is of the victim and a recent one, I will have to say he looks closer to a child than an adult. He certainly doesn’t look 24.

          Perhaps it’s from being old enough to be a 17 year old’s parent, but I see no issue with calling any minor a child, regardless of their future plans for enlistment, or the military’s age requirement. BTW, you could easily be accuse of deception here. Yes, you can join the military at age 17…. with *parental consent*.

          I see no false dichotomy, I see no deceptiveness. Hell, even though this isn’t a legal defnition or standard, I call some 20 year old “kids”… perhaps as I said, simply due to perspective of my own age, but there it is. I see that picture above, and I do not see a mature adult. Even if that 17 year old grew out some peach fuzz, I find it difficult to believe that a trained law enforcement officer would likewise not be able to recognize that as a very young person, even if they were not able to accurate guess the exact age.

          But then again, something is highly suspicious when a wii remote, which bears a closer resemblance to a stick of butter is mistaken for a gun.

    • Bassturd

      It worked when it was Trayvon!!!

    • Mitchell Bupp

      if this is all you have to argue about this case … troll on ….

      • Mark Stuber

        All I have is what was posted on this cite, so far.

  • MiykaEl_TX

    Cops in this country seemed to be poorly trained, unqualified, chicken shit cowards, and out of effing control. Welcome to an obamanation

  • Joe McPlumber

    Hey, a lot can happen in an “immediately” and the officer’s responsibility is to go home after his shift. Plus we don’t have the full context, the kid might’ve opened the door aggressively. Or he might’ve disrespectfully taken his time about it, which is disrespectful. Anyway once someone forced me to play CoD so i know first hand what those Wii remotes can do to a guy. Video games are proven to desensitize kids to violence so it must work both ways, anyhow he will be fine when he respawns.

    • Taylor Carter

      It’s not disrespectful to answer the door in your own time. It was disrespectful for the PIG to have not replied when asking someone else to open the door of their own home. If someone knocks on my door and I don’t care for company, Guess what? I’m not getting off my butt. I have that right in my house. If someone doesn’t answer me when I ask who it is? Ha. Forget it. The world is too dangerous to open the door to just anyone… obviously.

      • Joe McPlumber

        If she had identified herself, she might’ve been facing down a PAIR of Wii remotes. Good grief have some common sense.

        • Keith Cameron

          It’s people like you McPlumber that have allowed such unprofessional degenerates to have the power of life and death (death seeming to be their preferred method) over us.

          I weep for our Republic.

          • dinkster

            You can’t tell he was being sarcastic?

            • Keith Cameron

              If so, I stand corrected.

          • Joe McPlumber

            I know how you feel.

    • Keith Cameron

      The officers responsibility is NOT to go home after the shift. It’s to protect and serve. Disarm all of these reactionary cowards ASAP!

      • Hinikuna Dansei

        Can’t protect and serve if they’re dead though, can they?

        • billhook

          They usually don’t when alive.

    • bieler

      If you are afraid of dying during your shift, don’t be a cop. Be a hairdresser or ballerina or something more suited to your yellow spine.

    • Heather Ann Evans

      Ok… Now it is WII remotes. My daughter plays lots of games on the WII and on her computer. She is not desensitized. They have helped her thought process and coordination. And just because a person opens their OWN door a little more agressively or they take their time to see who it is, is not a reason to shoot someone. That cop went in with the attitude that she was gonna shoot someone. It didn’t matter who answered the door or what they were doing. Heavens, you can be in the middle of drying dishes and have a wooden spoon in your hands under the towel. If held properly it looks like a knife or weapon of some sort. Yeah, poor person doing dishes never had a prayer when they opened the door. I am sure the kid thought it was a neighbor or maybe a friend of the family. And because he opened a door with no thought to consequences and WII remotes in his hands, was a good reason to shoot to kill. All the more reason to not open up the door and dial 911 just to make sure they are officers outside the door and not a bad man. Either that or we all go around wearing bullet proof vests, just in case there is the odd police officer around.

  • Tim Jitsu

    they trained her well… the fact that she was crying shows that she acted how they trained her to act. she did even think about it until after the fact. they train you that everyone is out to get you. and to treat everyone as a possible threat on your life.

    • Mitchell Bupp

      100 percent in agreement that it is the training……

      • billhook

        No hesitation. That pregnant woman’s fetus might have a MAC-10 concealed.

  • Thugsbethugs

    Looks like Cops need to be placed on the Kill on Sight list.

  • AJ_Olding

    Throw this asshole in jail.

    • Thugsbethugs

      Screw jail. This scum doesn’t deserve to breathe and should be hanged publicly

  • Claude Jones

    A 17 year old is NOT a “Child”. At 17 I was in the US Army. The cop should be charged with 2d degree murder.

    • Mark Stuber

      Finally, someone with some reason.

    • Mike Mercer

      I think 2nd Degree Manslaughter would the correct charge against the female officer because she was probably afraid of knocking on that door but had to to keep her job. Whoever hired her and whoever trained her should have seen this coming and not let her go onto the streets in the mental and emotional state she was obviously had. Those people should be fired immediately for failure to do their proper jobs.

      • Chris

        That’s a bullshit excuse. Afraid of knocking on a door to serve a warrant for probation violation? I mean, I guess it depends on what the probation was for, but having such a happy trigger finger that you fire as soon as the kid opens the door? I mean, she shot him so fast she didn’t have time for her brain to understand that a wii remote and a gun don’t even look remotely similar. Yeah, her superiors definitely have some blame to shoulder for letting such a dumb person wear the uniform, but she definitely should be charger with murder.

      • Joey

        The female officer (not sure why it should matter that it’s a female) was an adult when she chose to become and officer and swore and oath. Our society not being watched over and “protected” by trigger happy thugs and cowards who wanted good healthcare and retirement options is more important than the one officer’s life…that’s why it’s called duty and sacrifice, but honor died a long time ago. Go ahead though…continue to make excuses and apologize for them until it’s you or someone you know who gets shot by one of them too.

        • Michelle C

          Thank you, I am a woman and I do not think gender has anything to do with. I served Honorable in the US Navy and I was trained on how to watch, assess and use force only when it was absolutely necessary..and I am sorry but what cop who knocks a door to deliver a notice doesn’t say the city and PD they work for? I got a summons to appear in traffic court and the cop who knocked on my door said Pasco County Sheriffs Office when I said “Who is it?”

        • Laura Wren

          Good retirement options? Just wait until these thugs find out that their retirement accounts have been sacked by wall street too, LOL

    • Joe Boyd

      The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines child as “a human being below the age of 18 years

      • Nunyabusiness

        UN crap doesn’t count in this country. Let the blue-hats try any shit here…
        However, in most cases US law also defines a child as someone under the age of 18 as well.

        • Mark Stuber

          It terms of appearence and whether someone had a reasonable fear: A 17 year old is a lot coser toa 24 year old than to a 10 year old.

          Besides in this country, you can be an infantryman at the age of 17. The C.I.A Handbook which is open source and opened to the public consideres 15 military age., If you are looking at the stats of a country miitary age is 15-45.

          • Nunyabusiness

            These days it seems Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) have a “reasonable fear” if someone looks them in the eye, takes too long to open a door, they have an obvious toy gun, anyone in the house has a registered gun, a newspaper delivery woman throws a newspaper out of a truck, someone possibly in the house is a parole violator, etc. Have these idiots heard of pepper spray or tasers? Have any of them heard of escalation of force? If you are so damn afraid that you will not make it home, then you have no business being a LEO.

          • hp b

            You’re a dip stick dude.
            It doesn’t matter if the person was 7 or 17 or 70.
            Gunned down upon opening your own front door is B.S.

            Let me guess, you’re Mr. military. The guy who supports the troops even when they murder innocent civilians in occupied nations just like the Nazis and Japanese did.
            You’re disgusting.

          • Drutch

            The CIA is an illegal institution. We lawful American citizens don’t give a rats ass what criminals classify as adult or children. The bottom line is these sack of sh*t thugs in uniorm are training the citizens of this nation to fire upon them first and ask questions later. Since you are most likely a LEO or officer of the court, you would do yourself some good trying to reform the system rather than excuse it. In the end it is the thugs who will lose. There are only tens of thousands of you and tens of millions of people that will resist with deadly force.

            • Mark Stuber

              Nope,
              I’m not an LOE. As a matter of fact, the older I get the more I dislike LOEs. However, this general dislike I have for LOEs has not clouded my judgment so much, that I am going to jump to
              conclusions: Especially, based on an article with a very misleading headline.

              In what way have, I attempted to excuse the actions of this officer. Withholding judgment pending more information is not tantamount
              to excusing. The fact that you can’t distinguish between the two (withholding judgement vs. excusing) is a reflection of your unchecked prejudices. Read my other posts on articles from this site. Just over half the time, I get into long drawn out arguments with LOE or LOE groupies. Sometimes, I defend the actions of the LOEs.

              • billhook

                What’s a LOE and how does it differ from a LEO?

                • Mark Stuber

                  LOE means Letter of Experience. It’s an insurance term that I got used to typing in a hurry. Obviously, I mean LOE. I’m both dyslexic and used to work in insurance.

                  You took a cheap shot,

                  • billhook

                    Obviously your dyslexia is still in full force….

          • Laura Wren

            That is so they can kill people and call all of the dead ‘terrorist’.

        • Joe Trotter

          Yeah, which is why I happened to call a person under the age of majority still dependent on their parents a “child.”

          A 17-year-old embarking on a career in our armed forces and isn’t a dependent doesn’t fit my definition of “child.”

          • Nunyabusiness

            Joe,
            I agree with your definition of child.

            • Ethan Koernke

              They are talking about the Legal Definition of Child, or Minor. Can he Drink Liquor? Can he even lawfully Smoke a Cigar? No, Because he qualify’s as a Minor. Now off that BS. It is less relevant than the fact the Cop shot and killed a person and isn’t in Jail now. She is at home and is allowed in public. She need’s a psych eval. and to be held with bond until trial. The point is she murdered someone for a non crime.

              • Hinikuna Dansei

                Underage soldiers can’t drink or buy cigarettes but can go to die for their country, so your argument isn’t that strong.

                • Ethan Koernke

                  So the state considers him an adult or a Minor? I am confused? That makes him Less Dead, and the crime acceptable? The state will have to charge her with assault of a minor, Murder in the first degree as she had already drawn her sidearm before the door was opened. Quit with the BS he was a Minor who was killed in cold blood. He was a Minor who was still in high school. He was a minor who was playing a video game at home when he was killed for playing a video game! He was a Minor who answered the door with a video game controller in his hand! So Legally by U.S. Code HE IS A MINOR! The point is HE IS A MINOR KILLED IN COLD BLOOD BY A PEACE OFFICER WHO KILLED HIM!!!!!!!

                  • Ethan Koernke

                    HOW DOES THAT NOT MAKE HIS FATHERS CASE? HOW DOES THAT NOT MAKE THE CRIME ALL THE MORE TRAGIC? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF SOMEONE WHO WE ALL WHERE TOLD TO TRUST WITH OUR LIVES, AND ARE TOLD ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD HAVE GUNS, KILLED YOUR CHILDREN WHEN THEY ANSWERED YOUR FRONT DOOR? THIS IS LUDICROUS TO ARGUE THE MINOR STATEMENT OF THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE USED AND DEFEND THE POLICE FOR KILLING A 17 YEAR OLD? ARE YOU PEOPLE STUPID??? YOU MUST BE IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH THE MURDER OF A YOUNG MAN IN COLD BLOOD!!!

                    • Ethan Koernke

                      BUT YOU ARE GOING TO ARGUE OVER LITTLE SHIT, AND LET THE WOMAN WHO KILLED THE BOY WALK FREE? THIS IS STUPID!!!

                    • Hinikuna Dansei

                      Are you arguing with yourself? I’m not sure who you’re addressing…

                  • Hinikuna Dansei

                    Until the investigation comes to a close and they give their final decision, we know nothing aside from our own assumptions and what these few little paragraphs tell us. I find it odd that on a libertarian site so many people are quick to condemn others as guilty, yet if they were arrested I’d be willing to bet they would like to be treated as innocent until proven guilty.

                • Ethan Koernke

                  And another question was She Drunk or on any drugs that would have effected her in any way to believe she was in danger? Or did she think she was in a TV Drauma like COPS?

                  • Hinikuna Dansei

                    As to the first, none of us will know until the investigation comes out. I think it varies by state, but many police departments require mandatory testing for drugs and alcohol after a serious incident like that. If she was, then it’s no doubt she’ll face some kind of charges.

            • Ethan Koernke

              And that makes the crime more acceptable?

          • hp b

            You can also be full grown 30 years old and less mature than a child of 10.
            Witness Mark Stupor.

            • Mark Stuber

              Hmmn, the irony. A person who resorts to making fun of someone’s name calling me immature.

          • Volomon

            child is a biological state. Has nothing to do with being self reliant. What about 8 ear old’s in India making clothes. By your definition, they’re adults

      • Monastery

        Why the fock should we let that council of despots and socialists nullify our sovereignty and write our laws?

        You’re a dangerous sort.

    • Volomon

      A 17 year old is not an adult either. So he is a child under LAW and BIOLOGY.
      So, what if you were foolish enough to join the Army at 17, that means you were a child in the army. There are 13 year old girls who get pregnant; are the grown women now?

    • Ethan Koernke

      that 17 year old was asking for it anyway and need to be put down… Right? Cause his dad is a scumbag, he was a scumbag. and that makes it alright the cop killed him yeah! Kill all the scumbags… Right Claude?

  • Keith Cameron

    It is time to consider disarming 75% of our Police. These people have clearly ‘lost the plot’.

    • Joe Trotter

      I seriously considered adding a suggestion like this to the article, but then I realized that the end result would most likely be that SWAT teams would be used even more than they are now and even more civilians would probably die. Then the police would simply claim that disarming them did nothing to stem the tide of civilian casualties and use it as an excuse to re-arm the rest of their departments.

      • Keith Cameron

        Joe, do even a few days pass anymore that we don’t read a story like this? I would say only Patrol supervisors should be armed and all “immunity’ should be removed from officers. It wouldn’t hurt to make them (at their own expense) carry liability insurance. We make Plumbers carry liability insurance, when was the last time you remember one of them killing someone?

        • Joe Trotter

          Those are all very good ideas! And you’re right, the sheer number of stories like this is absolutely sickening.

          Dangerous professions often require significant liability insurance. Not to diminish the personal tragedy, but say this cop did have to pay for insurance in order to remain on the job; after an incident like this, wouldn’t her rates go up to the point where she’d most likely not be able to afford being put on the streets again? If anything, it would allow the free market to dictate that terrible officers cannot be on our streets because they are, quite literally, financial liabilities.

          There’s a good article begging to be written from this conversation.

          • Keith Cameron

            “wouldn’t her rates go up to the point where she’d most likely not be able to afford being put on the streets again?”

            Bingo!

    • Monastery

      Really? So 75 percent of the cops shoot guns upon innocent citizenry? That’s just about the stupidest statement I’ve heard this month so far.

      The overwhelming majority of cops don’t even discharge their gun a single time throughout their entire career.

      Where does your number come from?

      • Keith Cameron

        I would disarm all but supervisory personnel. Too many of these incident happening. Or, don’t you read the news?

        • Hinikuna Dansei

          The supervisors are typically the ones putting dents in officer chairs with their backsides and not training like the guys out on the street. This is silly.

          • Keith Cameron

            Yeah, and you’re an ass.

            • Hinikuna Dansei

              Sorry for not immediately jumping all over your wonderful idea. So instead of pushing for better training and higher standards for police officers, we should instead remove all the guns from the street and leave them in the station so when they really need them the situation will be long over before they can ever get there.

              In my hometown, a psych hospital had a man come in and start shooting up the place. *University* police officers responded within minutes and, following their active shooter training, entered the building and managed to stop the gunman before the situation got worse. The gunman only managed to kill 1 and wound 7 before the police stopped him, using an AR-15 no less. What would happen if they had to just make a perimeter and wait for the guys to get there? Sounds familiar, doesn’t it – oh wait, yeah, Columbine.

          • billhook

            And covering for the morons they have walking the street.

      • billhook

        Seventy five percent are so stupid, useless, scared, sadistic or dishonest that they would gun down an innocent civilian to save their own ass.

  • billjcanada

    Eventually police will need to hide as they will become targets of convenience.

    • Grey Dread

      Hiding is kinda hard for them to do when they have a God complex.

      • Virgil Tattershall

        All we need to do is case any local Dunkin Donuts……

  • Jasonian

    Ready to revolt yet?

    • Papi

      yup

      • Flint Stone

        Me too.

    • Raven Man

      Many are in my Opinion.

    • Freedom Fighter88

      I am with you.

    • billhook

      Nah, I want to keep eating fast food, buying “smart” phones, looking at porn and watching pro sports and reality TV like nearly 300 million other morons.

  • Craig1748

    Cops in this country are totally out of control….they have been given a license to murder innocent civilians at their discretion. All the officers mentioned above should be standing trial for 1st degree murder and not back out of the streets looking for their next innocent victim to murder!

    • Mark Stuber

      First
      Degree? How asinine. You’d never get a conviction. It
      would probably get thrown out before it went to court. Do you
      even know what “first degree murder” is?

      • Mark Livengood

        No way this passes the Graham v Connor “reasonable officer” standard.

        • Mark Stuber

          It probably doesn’t but, I would not be that dogmatic about it. Who knows what the writer of this article left out? The author of this article revealed his agenda when he chose to put “child” in the headline instead of
          “teenager.” What did the WII remote look like? Was the teenager pointing it at her?

          • Slim_Strontem

            Doesn’t effing matter. His doorway. Right to be armed. The cops needs to comply, not the people.

            • Hinikuna Dansei

              Not necessarily. If they announced they were police with an arrest warrant, and he opened up the door with what looked like a gun in his hand, the officer has her right to defend herself just like any one of us would if put in the same situation.

              If it was an employee from the electric company coming to shut off his power and he opened up the door with a gun in his hand, that’s not legal. That’s called menacing, and it’s a crime.

              • Slim_Strontem

                Really? Not.

                • Hinikuna Dansei

                  Start trying it out and let us know how well it works for you.

                  • Slim_Strontem

                    BS.

          • Guy Daley

            That’s right you imbecile, try to read as much as you can into the story and PRETEND the cop has a leg to stand on. We’ve been having an absolute epidemic of murders committed by police and you will give them the benefit of the doubt until one of your loved ones gets killed.

            • Mark Stuber

              Idon’t believe police should be above the law but neither should they be below the law. You are criticizing me for “giving them
              the benefit of the doubt.” Yes. Yes, I am. And the Constitution requires the state to give them the benefit of the doubt just like it is required to give you the benefit of the doubt.

              In other words: The 5th and 6th Amendments don’t make an exception for
              cops or in circumstances where my loved ones get killed

              By the way, your
              ad hominen attack makes me more confidnet of my position (not less)
              because, it indicates to me that, you have no valid argument..

              RE: “. We’ve been having an absolute epidemic of murders committed by police and you will give them the benefit of the doubt until one of your loved ones gets killed.”

              Other “murders committed by police” whether an epidemic or not: should not be relevant to his individual case. I assume you don’t want to live in a society where you are held accountable for the actions of total strangers. Am I right?

              Also, with regard to how I would feel if it was my family member. I would rather live in a society where the punishment of crime is adjudicated by the rule of law as opposed to the whims of crime victims and/or their families. Which kind of system would you prefer?

              • Guy Daley

                I would prefer a system where the cops aren’t trained to kill anybody that doesn’t respect them or every time they imagine a threat.

                You shouldn’t feel more confident about your position from an ad hominem attack. The fact that you have to use it to play the victim role means you are a liberal. You are an imbecile and it comes from FRUSTRATION that there are imbeciles in this nation that think like you. Millions upon millions of them which is why Obama was elected and THEN REELECTED!

                You want to give cops the “benefit of the doubt” but they won’t do the same before they blow someone away from an imagined threat. I just hope you are the next to benefit from an imagined threat. Maybe your relatives will give the cops the benefit of the doubt at that point.

                • Mark Stuber

                  RE: “The fact that you have to use it to play the victim role means you are a liberal.”

                  Where have I played the victim roll? Pointing out your logical fallacies is not playing the victim roll.

                  I didn’t feel victimized at all by your ad ad hominem attack. As I stated, it increased my confidence. How is claiming an act increased my confidence claiming to be a victim of said act? My point wasn’t that I was hurt by your ad hominem attack. My point was that your use of such an assinine ad hominem attacks hurts the credibility of your arguments because said use makes you look stupid.

                  re: “I would prefer a system where the cops aren’t trained to kill anybody that doesn’t respect them or every time they imagine a threat.”

                  re: “Millions upon millions of them which is why Obama was elected and THEN REELECTED!

                  That is both hyperbolic and is a straw man. Re: Your straw man: When did I ever state I wanted a system in which the cops are “trained to kill anybody that doesn’t respect them or every time they imagine a threat.” I never said that.

                  Re: Your hyperbole. If cops killed everyone who ever they felt disrespected them, I would have been killed 5 times over.” I never voted for Obama. I’ve never voted for a Democrat.

                  • Guy Daley

                    First paragraph, first sentence from you, “Where have I played the victim role?”

                    Now you are just being IRRITATINGLY stupid. Whenever some jizzbrain pulls out the ad hominem distraction its because they have to play the “victim” game to effect some sort of self worth in the argument. Are you that daft that you don’t understand that?

                    The rest of what you’ve said, I won’t even read. There is nothing between your ears worth responding to.

                    • Mark Stuber

                      I pointed out your logical fallacy. I never claimed I deserved compensation for it. You’re just setting up a straw man.

                    • Mark Stuber

                      re: “The rest of what you’ve said, I won’t even read. ” Too bad. Because I exposed several of your logical fallacies which you could have learned from.

          • hp b

            Speaking from experience Mark?

          • Drutch

            Your criteria for firing on a homewner is not valid. A homeowner has a right to answer the door with a weapon. Apparently you are ignorant of the US Constitution and most federal/state laws. If an officer does not announce their presence and enters a home wihout warrant they can be lawfully fired upon if the home owner fears for their life and believes they are being assaulted by a criminal. In this case the home owner could lawfully answer the door with a firearm, especially since the officers did not announce their presence.

            • Mark Stuber

              Did
              I even list a criteria for firing on a home owner?

              Re:
              ” Apparently you are ignorant of the US Constitution and most
              federal/state laws.” I confess I am ignorant of most Federal and
              State Laws (especially the 49 other states of which I do not reside
              in.) However, I am not ignorant of the U.S Constitution. Not the
              actual text, anyway, I knew the text better than the professor in my
              U.S Constitution and Courts class. I would correct him on what the
              text actually said in class. He would look it up and acknowledge I
              was correct. Mostly esoteric stuff like how many Senators it takes to
              ratify a treaty. I’ve read it so many times, I know what it says and
              even where to find said sections in seconds.

              I
              doubt you are knowledgeable of the majority of Federal and state laws
              either.

              Re;
              “If an officer does not announce their presence and enters a
              home without warrant they can be lawfully fired upon if the home
              owner fears for their life and believes they are being assaulted by a
              criminal.” What a total non-sequitor. The teenager did not shoot
              the cop so, of course we are not discussing whether or not the kid
              shooting the cop was justifiable or not.

              re:
              “In this case the home owner could lawfully answer the door with
              a firearm, especially since the officers did not announce their
              presence.”

              How
              do you know the cop didn’t announce herself? She did knock on
              the door. When did I ever say the kid didn’t have a right to
              answer the door with a gun in his hand? That’s quite a straw
              man: in other words: You’re resorting to putting words in my
              mouth.

              Reread
              my post. I really don’t see how any of your points are even related
              to my posts. Your whole post is a straw man.

              My
              main point was, I don’t know what the actual facts and circumstance
              of the case are; therefore, I’m withholding judgment. I sure as hell
              not relying exclusively on this article.”

        • Hinikuna Dansei

          From what we can tell in this article, no. The full investigation will reveal more.

      • Guy Daley

        ABSOLUTELY ITS PREMEDITATED. They have the mindset that they will shoot anybody whether they can confirm there is an actual threat or not. They have been TRAINED to kill first and worry about the outcome later. Moreover, they get rewarded for this behavior with a very lengthy paid vacation while the incident is “investigated” which shouldn’t take more than one day.

        • Mark Stuber

          Do you even know what premeditated means?

          Also, you keep on mentioning how “they” are trained instead of how “she” was trained (as if that is relevant to proving premeditation to a jury*). This indicates to me that you’re not thinking about this case in terms of what this individual police officer was justified or not. You want to use
          her as a scape goat for the behavior of LOEs in general. Sorry, that’s not how are justice system is intended to work.

          *If if your half baked theory that the training of police makes premeditation plausible, the prosecution has a higher standard of
          proof. In order to convict her of Murder 1, you would have to prove premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. Not everyone on that jury is going to be as predisposed as your are to blame cops. Whether they should be nor not is irrelevant. Charging her with Murder One will only increase the chances of her getting off scott free.

      • hp b

        I’d bet you do.

        • Mark Stuber

          You bet I what? This new system that disque has is horrble. I don’t know which one of my comments you are refering to.

  • BOB

    Anyone else tire of this…. stuff…. yet?

  • BDPSU

    Wake up and smell The Police State you are living in!

    • Guy Daley

      Sorry, most people still think of them as heroes because of 9/11 and the mass media touting them as heroes for decades. The brainwashing is widespread and extensive all the way from when the entire police force turns out for a fellow police officers funeral, to constant reminders from the mass media about how they “risk their lives on a daily basis”.

      This mental state will continue because the epidemic of police brutality and murders committed by them is relegated to backpage internet websites. Has the epidemic been on 60 minutes yet? No and it never will. Any other major exposes on main stream TV? (I don’t know, I don’t watch TV).

      • BDPSU

        QFT!

      • Joshua

        Why don’t you move out of the country and go find a nation that doesn’t have a police force that is there to serve you and protect you?
        All of your accusations are strictly from observation and speculation. So shut your mouth and stop pretending like the police force is one big evil sector that’s out to get you. These stupid, illogical conspiracies are only made up so you can get a thrill out the idea. None of them have logical reasoning.

        • Trevor Gomez

          Accusations made from observation aren’t relevant? That’s a new one…

          • Joshua

            Uh no… personal observation is not relevant. because that’s one person’s world view by looking through a key hole.

            • Guy Daley

              Tard, that means there is no such thing as history. All history was written down from PERSONAL OBSERVATION (that would be before video/TV). You can accumulate PERSONAL OBSERVATION from a variety of sources and have an excellent picture. Unless of course it comes from policemen who would have coordinated their stories beforehand for court.

              You aren’t qualified to discuss anything. Your logic and reasoning centers have been fried.

        • Mick

          I think you don’t know what this word, logic, means.

          • Sooriamoorthy

            I’m sure he does not know.

          • Joshua

            I don’t think you understand what grammar is.

        • Joe Spennato

          Enjoy the boot on your face and Odumbo’s dick in your ass, you sniveling worm

        • Roy

          I hope this is more sarcasm and that no one is really this stupid.

        • Sooriamoorthy

          You are the evil jerk who should shut up.
          People like you should be prevented from dong the harm you’re responsible for by condoning the crimes of pigs.

        • Nick

          Research the country of Georgia and how it went when their entire police force was fired for corruption. Spolier alert: it was the best period in the countries history.

        • Kit Love

          I dare you to tell that to all the families of people who were murdered by officers last year… for doing committing such heinous crimes as watering the lawn, playing video games, and driving a car that looks kinda sort almost like a wanted man’s car……… I could keep going there were dozens this year.

          • Joshua

            I dare you to tell that to the families who lives were saved by police officers.

            • Jhary Kenshura

              When was the last time cops saved FAMILIES from something?

          • Joshua

            I dare you to tell that to the families who lives were saved by police officers.

        • Iminurbase

          You’re the definition of a fucking ‘murican retard.

          My apologies, but that’s the only grammar this guy will understand as logic, rhetoric and common sense allude him.

        • Marvin Marcelo

          i don’t rely on the police to protect me and my family. that’s my responsibility. btw, police are not duty bound to protect and serve. well, they do serve warrantless searches and protect themselves when caught acting above the law.

          • Justin Ahlquist

            you are correct I advise everyone to read Warren vs. District of Columbia

        • John Walls

          I live in Philly, had three cops off duty out front of Joes Steaks aka Chinks Steaks, threaten to take my brother down to the Delaware River to teach him a lesson after he stood up to them after their shit talking. They came at him because he in the past he made mistakes of which he reformed from, so what they saw was someone to abuse and bully and use his past against him, problem was they did this out on Torresdale ave during the day which is very busy both commercial wise and residence. Neighbors came out by the dozens to see what was the ruckus, once the cops saw this amount of witnesses they got back into their car and rolled out acting like it was just a friendly prank.

          I have family and plenty of friends that are cops, sheriff’s and detectives that are sick of the new breed of officers. There is no brotherhood, its a gang now with no respect for the law or its communities. It doesnt matter if these were the only dirty cops in Philly, these badges disgraced the force and I’d not for their complete arrogance of the daylight and of the people who came out their homes my brother would be maimed or dead. You do not put a price or value of trust into a service that bites the hand that feeds it, especially if it aims to take your families life. I’m not talking about the fratboy brotherhood bull you’re jabbering on about, I’m talking about real blood, real family that can’t be replaced with a new recruit.

      • Joshua

        Oh, and one more thing: Name a day in your life when you risked your life for the safety of others. Odds are you can’t. So unless you’ve done that daily, you have NO room to give your opinion.

        • hp b

          Neither can 95% of cops. For each cop ‘out there’ there are 80 ‘in there’ doing everyday work like everyone else.

          A guy working at 7-11 or roofing or construction has a job way more dangerous than a cop.
          Look it up. You been watching to much TV.
          Let me guess. CSI – The Shield – Cold Case Files, etc., etc.

          What are you, ten years old?

          • Ron

            I’m retired #3 on the list. That being said, I don’t worry about cops because they are not worried about me. Most of us don’t worry, but for those who do……why?

        • Mick

          You’re a friggin moron. The worst kind. The one who thinks all other opinions are invalid unless someone has walked a certain set of VERY specific circumstances in their life, yet you somehow think YOUR opinion is valid. STFU idiot. The great thing about right and wrong, is that it transcends any one individual experience. Nobody has to walk that path you fucking idiot, in order to know right and wrong. So shut your yap. Odds are YOU haven’t put your ass on the line. Me, on the other hand, I’m former US Army, and a former peace officer. I got every right to slam this cop, and so does any other fucking citizen, you ass.

          • hp b

            Exactly. My neighbor was a Pa. state trooper who was ‘on the road’ for 20 years and never once drew his pistol.
            A fine man, period. Obviously a great cop.
            Sure he had some rough times but never, he said, was there a time when more than reasoning, tactics or the occasional club was needed.
            He actually helped people out on the road and even gave a few winks where winks were due. Now THAT’S a cop.

            As an armed citizen I myself have more than twice prevented/detered a violent criminal act by showing my pistol and the intent to use it. This happens all day every day but gets no press, no parades, no medals.
            But’s that OK. Normal, in fact.

            • Mick

              I agree with you. My grandfather was an old school cop. Retired in the mid 80s. Rarely if ever did he have to draw a weapon. When he died, even people he had jailed paid their respects and credited him with helping them. He would talk to them from the heart and try to get them help. The new breed of Millennial age killer cops who grew up on video game killing, they don’t know how to handle any situation that requires verbal skills. All they know is yelling for compliance, and if they don’t immediately get it, they go right to the most lethal weapon they have. I’ve seen this too many times myself. I merely was disagreeing with a city cop once who stopped me in a private lot based on zero reasonable suspicion, and I called him on it. Know what he did? He put his hand on his weapon in a threatening manner. I said “WTF are you escalating the situation”…His response was because I was arguing with him…Fucking amazing. These shit heads we entrust with such power.

              • Laura Wren

                Personally, I think they are hired according to their low IQ and lack of reasoning skills.

                • Justin Ahlquist

                  Of course they are thats why a criminal justice degree is required.

              • really

                Don’t blame video games for assholes on power trips.

          • launa

            I don’t think the police should be viewed as some kind of evil regime out for senseless killing. A lot of P.D. (especially where i live) have very good intentions, and are honest to goodness good people. I work at a restaurant, and they always come in to buy some food on their lunch break (They are not overweight donut police by the by) and they’re always very polite, and ask us if there’s been any problems. We also have a very racially diverse police force. I think it’s a when, where, why, and who problem. I do agree, there should be more pre req. to becoming a public servant/officer, but you can’t classify them as the bad guys because of situations like this! I look at it as a time to appreciate those good officers who do their civic duty and would lay their life down for the general population. Yes, shooting this boy was heinous and idiotic; but that means this woman is a dolt who shouldn’t be allowed to carry a gun- much less be an officer! Police do so much in the city i live in, and that includes donating their time to different functions as well as always hosting different charities. They’re much more than donut eating, on call guys where i live! And if they’re anything less in you’re city, i do empathize for you and hope you get some proper police force. I loathe people who give groups a bad name.

            • Mick

              Launa, I’m speaking from experience in the field. I lived it, I was a reserve deputy for 2 years until I quit. My whole immediate family were cops. Even my grandmother was a cop. I think it’s quite justifiable to see them en mass as an evil regime and to by default, distrust them. I know them more intimately than most…and I do. You’re experience with them is very limited to circumstances where they are coming to enjoy food, etc. Of course, they’re always good to the cafe and donut shop.

              There have been far too many incidents to call these isolated. This is a prevailing culture of intimidation and oppression that police forces use these days, from nearly every small town force having tactical teams dressed in black and with military style vehicles and weapons, to the way that they treat you as a criminal for the slightest of infractions, how fast they are to turn a relatively minor incident into something where they are threatening deadly force to gain compliance. They are always escalating the violence, and it’s a prevailing culture with them that stems from the modern police forces WILLINGLY accepting direction, training, and funding on these matters from the military, and from militaristic type homeland security agencies like the FBI and BATFE, who also have decades of examples of abuse under their belts, and who have only gotten worse since 9/11.

              This is a police state. Gone are the days of my grandfather’s police force, where serving the citizens was their most important duty. Cops now see every confrontation with a citizen as a potential threat, they shoot first and identify their targets later, and they believe their number one duty now days is…to make it home SAFE at the end of their shift. That is NOT their number one duty. I fear the police, and you should too.

              • Guy Daley

                I read Laura’s simplistic and very narrow perspective. It comes from someone that is highly uninformed. People like that pretend to be too busy to learn. Unfortunately that’s what government counts on, an extremely un/underinformed populace so that the police state can expand unimpeded. People like Laura are just as much the enemy as the police state. They tend to be police apologists, only because they don’t know how widespread the problem has become and they never will because learning is a hardship for them.

                • Guest

                  If you mean “Launa” not “Laura”: You may think what you want of my reply. It wasn’t meant to be categorizing, that was my point. It was supposed to be pretty “simplistic.” I was trying to make the point that you cannot look at any police officer and automatically assume they’re out to get you. I have friends who work in the police department (granted they’re the older generation of cops, not the up and coming) that have specifically told me- shooting is a last resort and to only pull a weapon if the other person is armed. My other point was that i feel terribly sorry for those good cops that joined the force to serve and protect, and because of all those idiot cops out there; they get the bad name. You act like because i have an opinion, and i base my beliefs off what i know that i’m in conspiracy with the government or that i’m narrow minded. I’m not going to suddenly change what i do know, because some person online told me that i really don’t know very much because if i WAS educated i would think JUST like them; which frankly, sir, just isn’t true. I don’t appreciate how you assume that i’m uneducated about the government, or that i’m a little small town cafe girl who “don’t wanna learn bout that government, because i just serve those little ole cops when they be comin in!” I work there two days a week, because it is a family business. I have had several family members in office, and my own father was in office for the past 12 years. I know exactly what goes on in the government, the good and the bad. I take much offense to the fact that you think i’m some little small town girl, without education, who doesn’t like to inform herself. Because being on political websites is EXACTLY what i would be doing in my free time if that were the case. I was looking to have a respectful discussion @guydaley:disqus however, you seem to rather like to belittle people, rather than actually converse with them on why you disagree. So thank you @GuyDaley! Your opinions are narrow and invalid to me, since you can’t have a proper discussion clearly. Oh and @disqus_xJq9JgggSR:disqus I do take what you said into consideration, and thank you for your respectful reply. I don’t mind that you disagreed, but i don’t appreciate being looked down upon by some man on the internet that thinks he’s politically omniscient.

                  • Guy Daley

                    Its because you have an UNDERINFORMED opinion that I made my reply. I’m not going to post a 100 links for you to get up to speed. I doubt you ever will, based on your current opinion. “WHAT YOU KNOW” is exactly that. UNDERINFORMED.

                    There are no such thing as GOOD cops when they allow the bad cops to continue with their corruption. By turning a blind eye, they are just as bad as if they had participated in (fill in the blank). But thanks to the blue line, if good cop turns in a bad cop, you will be shunned and/or harrassed until you leave the force. (note the famous case about the female Florida highway patrol officer arresting a city police officer recklessly driving on his way to side job. She is now suing dozens of police officers for illegally accessing her personal information)

                    I don’t really care about how I hurt some anonymous persons feelings on the internet. You’ve got miles to go before you get a complete understanding of just how corrupt law enforcement and bad the police state has become ALL OF WHICH I DERIVED FROM YOUR OPINION.

                    • Dan Zimmerman

                      The percentage of “corrupt officers” is way less than the whole, Those who do wrong should be punished accordingly but the others should not be judged by their actions. You have a narrow mind and do not care about others’ opinions obviously. You ignore the facts. I am an ex-police officer and in WI it is much harder to get a law enforcement position than most states. There is much more required of people before they are hired and because of this there is a higher level of police officer. Also, to say police officers dont put their lives on the line is stupid. Just because they dont actually die does not mean their life was not on the line. I put my life on the line multiple times but I didn’t die so I am not in your statistics.

                    • Guy Daley

                      Isn’t that nice. Percentage is “way less than the whole”.

                      There shouldn’t be any. There should be immediate and severe penance for wrongdoing rather than multi month “investigations” done from within the department that automatically have a significant CONFLICT OF INTEREST. ALL THE WHILE THE CRIMINAL IN BLUE goes on a multi month paid vacation. This is the type of environment that BREEDS this type of criminality within law enforcement. Lastly and the greatest insult is that the taxpayers end up paying the civil suits for the criminal jackboots in uniform.

                      You are just another scumbag apologist that promotes current state of affairs. Moreover, you didn’t even bother to pay attention to the rest of the thread. Commercial fisherman risk their lives far more than policeman. DO YOU WORSHIP THEM AS HEROES? What you “risked” on the job is IRRELEVANT since so many other jobs are more hazardous than law enforcement. Think about it, or is that too difficult for you?

                      The stat is being bandied about on the internet. You are 8 or 9 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist. Its pretty damn easy to accept that figure when you have so many examples of the above article to read.

                    • Dan

                      You are ignorant. She was a female too so thus all females are evil? Think about what you say. I don’t worship police as heroes either. You like to put words in peoples mouths. Learned that to your responses to Mark. Also learned that deny any other logic presented to you. You are one of those most closed minded people I’ve come into contact with. Stop judging a group by single people’s actions. Many police officers go to prison and lose their jobs due to doing the wrong thing.

                    • Dan

                      I also do believe there shouldn’t be any corrupt officers. That is an impossibility. There are corrupt people in every walk of life but that’s why you judge people individually. I judge you as an ignorant person. You seem like the type of person that would take his ideals to the extreme and start killing police officers.

                    • Guy Daley

                      I judge you as a person that isn’t qualified to carry on a conversation with anybody that has common sense, logic or reason.

                    • Dan

                      Well, seeing that I am extremely logical, have a genius level IQ, and have shown much reason in all aspects of my life, I think I can carry on an intelligent conversation with other intelligent people. Unfortunately I am not talking to one right now. Which is obvious since you ignore a lot of the good points brought up by people and just repeat the same thing over and over again.

                    • Justin Ahlquist

                      There are 7 different types of intelligences which one are you genius in?

                    • Dan

                      Well that is also just a theory and the IQ test I took was a generic IQ test mostly judging logic and problem solving skills so I’d go with logical-mathematical.

                    • Dan

                      Also those stats on the most dangerous jobs are only based on deaths. Police officers risk their lives more than recorded by deaths.

                    • Guy Daley

                      No, I’m quite satisfied with the statistics I’ve researched. On almost any list you dredge up from a google search, law enforcement is not on it. They’ve minimized the risks by killing people whenever they imagine a threat. They also wear bulletproof vests, don’t escalate unless there is an army of them, etc, etc which ONLY proves to me that there is nothing between your ears.

                    • Dan

                      Again those statistics are based on deaths only. They don’t take into account all the information. Plus the deaths aren’t that far behind number 10 on the list. Again, you DO NOT have to die to risk your life. You are the one being narrow minded and not taking consideration about anything so maybe you are the one with nothing in between your ears.

                    • Justin Ahlquist

                      Deaths per 100,000
                      Logging workers: 127.8

                      Fishermen: 117.0

                      Aircraft pilots: 53.4

                      Roofers: 40.5

                      Garbage collectors: 36.8

                      Electrical power line installation/repair: 29.8

                      Truck drivers: 22.8

                      Oil and gas extraction: 21.9

                      Farmers and ranchers: 21.3

                      Construction workers: 17.4

                      Police officers and Deputies: 14.9*

                      Taxi drivers: 14.9

                  • http://lokifreign.tumblr.com/ Loki Freign

                    @ Launa – actually any decent attorney or ex-police counselor will tell you it is absolutely vital that you assume all cops are out to get you.

                    I wish there were some of these “good cops” you reference, but since they all continue to give rogue killers with badges a pass – as long as they all see and say nothing about the automatic paid vacation you get for killing people and animals – I have to remain agnostic with regard to the so-called “good cop”. I don’t think there is such a thing as a “good” kind of murderous stormtrooper.

                    If they were good people that wanted to help the community they wouldn’t become cops.

                • launa

                  Are you referring to ‘Launa’ or ‘Laura’ ?

              • launa

                I respect what you’re saying and where you’re coming from, however I just do not fear the police or distrust them to such a point as the way you’re describing.
                I’m not naive to the point of believing all cops are good, and ready to put me first; but i’m also not naive to the point of thinking every single one of them is bad.
                My grandfather was a police officer for the Dallas PD, and he was also in the U.S. Army. He was a great man, and I believe in the country America used to be- and maybe that’s naive, but i know there are others who do too. I try to come and educate myself through different platforms, because i really try to get a generally holistic view. I do not want to be cynical to the world, so i see the good and the bad in our humanity. This was a horrible thing that happened, and i believe our nation and it’s leaders/enforcers need a reality check; i refuse, though, to live in fear of people like that. I think fear empowers those who are seeking control over others. I don’t want to give them the satisfaction. If they want to shoot me, so be it because I supposedly live in a “free” country, and they will not ‘govern’ my life. I know it might sound juvenile to say something like that, but I won’t live my life according to the government’s standards they set because they are too inept to do their REAL job. @disqus_xJq9JgggSR:disqus

          • launa

            Also, thank you for your service, sir! :)

            • Mick

              No thanks necessary, as I had plenty of my own motivations, but thank you for your thanks.

          • Joshua

            You’re not slamming this cop, you’re slamming the entire police force. Good try though.

            • Mick

              Well, how fucking astute of you, you moron. Yes, I am, and yes, I am. So what? Take a hint from all your thumbs down and quit while you’re BEHIND.

            • Mick

              How fucking astute of you LMAO. Yes, I am, and yes, I am. So what? Take a hint from all your thumbs down assclown and quit while you’re BEHIND. Nice try though.

              • Justin Ahlquist

                We pay for their positions hence we can say whatever we want.

                • Mick

                  And who are you commenting to?

                  • Justin Ahlquist

                    meant to joshua ofcourse just misclicked

        • Jack Clarke

          So by your reasoning you’re saying that the only way to denounce genocide or child rape is to become genocidal or a child rapist? Are you seriously that dumb?

        • EmmyP

          You, Joshua, possess insufficient mental prowess to make even the faintest resemblance of a logical argument. It is you, sir, who have NO room to give your opinion.
          One need not be a teacher to know molesting students is wrong.
          One need not be a cashier to know stealing from the register wrong.
          One need not be a law enforcement officer to know shooting a boy,who merely answered the door for you is wrong.
          One need not be a deuchebag to know Joshua is wrong.

          • Hinikuna Dansei

            I admire your attempt at trying to sound like an intellectual, but it failed once you spelled “douchebag” incorrectly.

            • Ethan Koernke

              Seriously? A curse and you are lamenting about that?

              But nothing to contribute to the conversation other than; “but it failed once you spelled “douche bag” incorrectly.” Lame Brain… And my spell check says there isn’t any such word. But it is two words so you failed as well! Ha, ha, ha!!!

              • Hinikuna Dansei

                Uhh there is a space there, buddy.

            • Justin Ahlquist

              deuche is urban for doubly deuchy

              • Hinikuna Dansei

                Sounds like a French sandwich.

        • Michelle C

          1996-2008 US NAVY dimwit…how do you like those apples and I am a WOMAN! You need to educate yourself on the excessive abuse of power from police officers…NO not all police officers are bad, HOWEVER there are corrupt cops in EVERY city, big AND small

          • Laura Wren

            When I see these mythical ‘good cops’ arresting and or killing cops, for the things they arrest and or kill us, everyday citizens for I will also start to believe in Santa clause, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny.

        • Roy

          At least I didn’t kill a child for answering the door when I knocked.

        • Mark Stuber

          How’s that even relevent?

        • Kit Love

          I don’t get this logic. What part of risking your life every day qualifies you to be able to shoot innocent people to DEATH??????????

        • boot_hat

          Yeah I do. Wanna see?

        • billhook

          Neither did most cops. They are protecting and enforcing the rules of the police state. I guess it is hard to hurt yourself with a boot on your neck, however.

      • hp b

        Cops jobs aren’t even on the top ten dangerous list. (look it up)

        Approx. 120 cops die each year ‘line of duty’ (look it up)

        Half of these die ‘line of duty’ driving around like maniacs and crashing their cars (look it up)

        Another large percentage die ‘line of duty’ from donut and steroid induced heart attack and shooting each other (look it up)

        So much for the crappola of ‘putting their lives on the line’ everyday. Besides, just like the military, for every cop ‘on the line’ there are a hundred pushing paper and playing bureaucrat.
        Not exactly hazardous duty, is it. It’s mostly a bunch of brainwashing B.S.

        Since 911 cops have killed approx. 6,000 civilians.

        Of course they have a right to defend themselves, as do we all, but they have no right to brutalize and murder people.
        Not to mention this other B.S. of ‘contempt of cop’ where you can’t even look at them cross eyed for fear of arrest, beating, maiming and even (like the case in point) summary execution.

        Enough is enough. Where I live in Pa. on opening day of deer season there are 800,000 men, women and youths ‘out and about’ armed with high powered rifles, pistols and shotguns.

        Get it? Well, you better get it and quick, because how much longer before tens of millions of armed CITIZENS, when seeing the cops coming just start shooting and consider it self defense..

        • Monastery

          Not for anything, if you’re going to make claims, you need to say more than “look it up.” It’s your job to present the research with proper citation.

          Did you do tell your professors to “look it up” when you wrote research papers? How’d that work out for you?

          Do some of the legwork, man. Take responsibility for truly proving your case.

          • Guy Daley

            No, its appropriate for people to look it up because then they will be informing themselves and come to their own INDEPENDENT conclusions. Seems like everytime I provide a link its automatically discredited out of hand for a bogus reason because the “researcher” doesn’t like the conclusion.

            Personally, I have already done the research and can confirm every single last conclusion that hp b made.

            • boot_hat

              The burden of proof states that it is up to the person making the claims to prove them. It is not my responsibility to prove that you are right.

              • Guy Daley

                I explained to you in very easily understandable english why it is appropriate for you to confirm the claim INDEPENDENTLY. That’s a basic problem with the basic American. You aren’t interested in learning anymore which means your mind has atrophied.

                My proof to such is that despite my explanation “independent confirmation” has no logic, no value to you. Its only meaningless because you stopped learning a long time ago.

                #1 I don’t want you to take my word for it as in the above example you refused anyway.
                #2 If a link is provided, you won’t look at it anyway, therefore I wasted my time.
                #3 You stopped learning a long time ago, your mind has atrophied, logic and reasoning has no value to you anymore.

                • boot_hat

                  You still say nothing. Here, I’ll show you:

                  I explained to you in very easily understandable english why it is appropriate for you to backup your claim. That’s a basic problem with the basic American. You aren’t interested in supporting your statements which means your mind has atrophied.

                  My proof to such is that despite my explanation backing up your statements has no logic, no value to you. Its only meaningless because you stopped supporting your statements a long time ago.

                  #1 I don’t want to research every last retarded sounding theory I hear (not that yours necessarily is in this case.
                  #2 YOU ASSUME THAT If a link is provided, I won’t look at it anyway, because you make blind assumptions.
                  #3 You stopped backing up your claims a long time ago, your mind has atrophied, logic and reasoning has no value to you anymore. Providing links is no proof that you will learn something that should have been learned a LOOOONG time ago.

                  See how your post, and mine, got us nowhere? I know, I know, it’s my fault.

                  You can’t backup your argument, so we’re done here, right?

                  • Guy Daley

                    Why the hell should I want to do research on your posting history? YOUR POSTING HISTORY?!!! Are you CRAZY? You are an anonymous nimrod. ANONYMOUS IS NOT AN ASSUMPTION.

                    I didn’t make any claims you ignoramus. I said that another poster shouldn’t have to post a bunch of links that will automatically be ignored by most.

                    Any other dumb @ss remarks you wish to add?

                    • derpleton

                      Furthermore in most places post links on disqus comments sends your post into moderation.

                      There are people who need to be informed and there are people who inform themselves. It is true that you the person making the assertion has to provide evidence but in this context, when the evidence is readily available and the argument is about something as definite statistics, someone who refuses to accept a position without specifically referencing supporting information, is just lazy and intellectually dishonest.

                      Were it something that we could not simply Google that would be another thing.

                    • Guy Daley

                      I agree wholeheartedly. My analogy is thus. People that demand links are like window shoppers, i.e. they have absolutely no intention of clicking on the link and perusing the info themselves, they just want to force others to jump through hoops by PRETENDING to be a “buyer”. This gives them a position in which to “control” the seller. In other words, provide the links and I may or may not look at them or if I do I may or may not discredit them with any bias or prejudices I may carry. The whole point is to force the person to waste as much time and energy as possible in selling the “information” to which they never had any intent of accepting (buying) in the first place.

                      Derpleton, you nailed it on the head.

                    • tellmenolies2012

                      It is true that people should look up their own info…but if you were in a court of law you would need ‘proof’ to back up any claim you want justified, otherwise, whatever you state cannot be considered anything other than hearsay.

                    • Guy Daley

                      How is your point relevant? Are you confusing this thread with a “court of law”? Of course you aren’t. So why the hell did you bring it up? Did you watch too much Perry Mason when you were growing up?

              • Mark Stuber

                Who made up the burdern of proof standard?

              • http://lokifreign.tumblr.com/ Loki Freign

                “Burden of proof” refers to formal logic and debate team. Here, you have the same tools all of us do. If he tells you “here’s the link”, your bias is confirmed no matter what the information is (look it up: data that conflicts with belief merely strengthens belief).

                Regardless of setting or formality, you are always, always responsible for your own education.

            • boot_hat

              Fine, I looked it up and you’re wrong. Now what?

            • thehomeland

              @guydaley:disqus ..”usually one who makes an assertion must assume the responsibility of defending it. If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed.” Michalos, Alex (1969). Principles of Logic. Englewood Cliffs: Prentice-Hall. p. 370.

              • Guy Daley

                I don’t care that you referenced something that was pre internet. What did I say about leading a horse to water? Most people are too damn lazy to click on it and read a link SO WHY DO IT? On the other hand, there is a distinct minority that haven’t given up on learning and when they independently research it and CONFIRM the assertion, then they will indeed have learned something.

                The fact that you can copy some crap from a pre internet era means NOTHING. All information is now instantly accessible by internet searches. Nobody has to peruse stacks at the library anymore which is EXACTLY how it occurred back in 1969.

                Well Mr. Homeland, lacking a bit in the common sense arena are we? Painful to think and come to your own independent conclusions, huh? You think Michalos Alex had a monopoly on logic and reason do we? Now, despite what I said, which makes perfect sense, you won’t be able to understand it. Its as if I gave you an advanced mathematical equation whereupon you are still struggling with arithmetic.

                • thehomeland

                  I did get that pre-Internet-era information from an Internet search, ye-of-little-teeth.

                  Citing your sources is evidence to your credibility as a maker of arguments, as a demonstration that you have your own (professed) ability to look things up as you insist everyone else should. I looked up my argument, and I posted evidence of that argument.

                  You could have simply looked up kitten videos and just made up several numbers based on how many meows you heard, but since you haven’t cited any of your sources, we can’t tell whether you’re just a dirty skank with a keyboard or have a sensible conclusion to offer. The minuscule possibility, of the quadrillions of possible sources available online, that we would happen upon the identical source is breathtakingly implausible. Your sources could have been stats from the People For The Self Assignment Of Napoleonic Identity website, or it could be from Billy Bob’s Guide To Whut’s True Gosh Darnit. Currently, the credibility of Guide To Looking It Up According To Guy Daley is trailing in the polls.

                  I can look things up, yes, and in doing so, am providing evidence of that t research for your benefit directly. You, clearly, have not looked up the generally accepted rules of presenting arguments and since you seem to refuse to, I am presenting it to your overtly hypocritical brain up front for direct consumption. The evidence of having looked things up is precisely the reason to cite sources. It offers evidence that the person making the argument is true to his word enough that people may directly independently verify, and offer additional counterevidence.

                  • Guy Daley

                    “I can look things up, yes, and in doing so, am providing evidence of that t research for your benefit directly.”

                    No, you are looking up information in order to confirm what has already been presented, that is if you have a desire to learn something new. If you don’t then, it wouldn’t matter if their was a cite or not.

                    Truly this is just too much for you to comprehend. So this is what I suggest. Cite whatever claims YOU care to make and stop yammering about it because its not going to make any difference. In other words, make your own cites when you feel it is appropriate and stop whining when others don’t.

                    • thehomeland

                      The entirety of your argument is whining, and for us to take your word for it. The purpose in citing is to observe the sources from which the information was procured. If you cite horrible sources like the National Inquirer, naturally people would dismiss them. If you cited sources such as the Encyclopedia Britannica, however, your arguments would have much more credibility. If the source is credible, the information presented that conflicts with the researcher’s proposal has a greater potential to be altered. If it’s just one guy moaning for everyone else to look it up, there is no potential for positions to be altered and instead for realizing that you have the intellectual fortitude of a cracker crumb.

                      Go ahead and keep blathering endlessly without citing anything, and get into the same argument over and over with people and never be able to defend yourself.

          • Kit Love

            we are not in a college class… we are not being graded… I looked it up and found things just fine.

            • boot_hat

              It is still his burden of proof.

            • Monastery

              I still expect someone making an assertion to provide evidence to support their claims. Is that an outlandish expectation? If so, why?

          • kay ledford

            F! I didn’t know that my internet posts were on par with my master’s thesis!

            • Richard Willey

              You could have looked it up by now.

            • Monastery

              It’s not. No one here is being graded in a classical sense. But to be taken seriously, any statement that is not immediately recognized as a truth, SHOULD be supported with evidence. And that evidence should be cited.

              Too many people spout anything they want, offer no substantiation, and demand to be taken seriously.

              • kharaa

                good golly i’m reading through this thread 2 months later, and there are actually people arguing with you over backing up their statements, or the burden of proof. If these guys are the future of the libertarian movement, we’re SCREWED.

                It’s pretty easy people, you make a claim, you give sources, other evidence to back it up. It’s pretty much elementary logic. If he didn’t have any sources, he should have said so.

          • Mecca Wrecka

            I might have been impressed and motivated if he had backed up the first and second claims, then said to look up his further statements. After the fourth or fifth look it up, I figure he’s one of the 28% of Americans posting on the internet from a psychiatric ward (look it up).

          • ScrewMonastery

            Monastery, I think you’re a joke. Because he doesn’t give 100% of the data he’s obviously a liar. He took his time to write this down and all you have to do is try to be funny and troll around? It’s not his job to present shit. He’s just trying to put his point across like everyone else.

            • Monastery

              How sweet. You changed your name for me.

              I never said anyone was a liar. I simply said the burden of proof was on the one making the claim.

              Your assertion that I am a troll simply because I made that statement bears no logic. Using that logic, you too are a troll because you disagree with me.

              The guy made a point. Fock you if you don’t understand that the internet is FILLED with people making all sorts of claims. Precious few know how to support it with evidence.

              And you think it’s a virtue to support ignorance, ill-founded logic, and made up “facts.”

              Don’t breed.

          • Qi Steven

            The amount of ignorance and arrogance is amazingly high. In a post about a story like this, you still need more evidence? Pathetic, good to see they’ve brain washed you well.

          • Qi Steven

            You are not giving a valid counter argument, in which case you have a burden of proof and his statement is the default position of the arguement.

        • Florence Coniglio

          Guess what..cops kill 5000 people a year. That’s less than people die serving the military which is only 3500.

      • Guest

        So by your reasoning the only way to denounce genocide is become genocidal? Are you really that dumb?

      • Lawman45

        The true Heros on 9/11 were the 500 fire fighters who kept going up the stairs fully KNOWING the danger they faced. Most of the cops stayed outside where they thought they were safe.

  • AFRODUMMY

    Just finished reading the article on the teen answering the door and then being shot by an officer. With all the crazies out there these days, ya never know who will be answering the door. I say, just toss in tear gas right off the bat. Get all those crazies out there and then ask questions.

    • KevinJ

      You are out of your damn mind.

      • Grey Dread

        He’s a cop. Nobody else uses the term ‘officer’.

        • Mitchell Bupp

          evidently a racist cop with that screen name?

    • AFRODUMMY

      BTW…..I was just kidding. But it does look like I stirred some shit up.

      • Mitchell Bupp

        from your previous post ….. I doubt you were kidding …..

    • Chris Shelton

      You’re the crazy officer dummy… I hope somebody tear gases your house..

    • BOB

      sarcasm? I hope.

      • AFRODUMMY

        Thanks for having a brain and realizing it was sarcasm.

        • BOB

          My pleasure.

  • JasonC

    This just in: The Chief Of Police lauds the action of the officer and is not worried about a law suit because future taxpayers will pay for it anyway.
    Watch for some half-brained LEO to justify this in these comments.

  • Tevis T

    This officer should be Daniel Pearled on live TV.