READING, PA – The family members of two robbers are demanding justice after William Medina and Robert De Carr were shot and killed after holding up a store.
“It’s not fair,” said Virginia Medina, the mother of William. Both thieves were killed by when they held up the shop wearing masks. They were shot and killed by a private citizen while leaving the store, and family members want to see charges pressed.
Peter Ratel, Medina’s cousin said, “How about if people just start running around here, policing the city on their own? How much worse is it going to get?”
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How much worse is it going to get? smh OH NO! Criminals will think twice before doing illegal things! What will we ever do? GTFO
Yes, because criminals always think there will never ever be a consequence possible for the crime… *eye roll*…
I do find it strange that most folks think its okay that theft = death sentence.
I agree these guys shouldn’t have been involved in a crime if they didn’t want consequences.. but I hardly think death is justified when someone is STEALING MATERIAL GOODS (not another persons life).
weapons only serve as a deterrent if they are visible or known to people who might want to commit a crime.
unless you post that you arm yourself somewhere on your home, its just a stab in the dark like playing the lottery for a thief.
anyone is as likely to have one as anyone else…
so clearly not a deterrent to leave them guessing… or crime would already be at an all time low…
what was the last estimation of how many weapons (guns) are in the united states?
270,000,0001 to 310,000,000 is the last figure I ever heard.
id say those are pretty good odds that someone might have a gun in their home, wouldn’t you ?
Wow. You are an idiot, and definitely part of the problem. This isn’t about a death sentence. It is about stopping a threat, and two masked people robbing a store constitute a threat.
They were being much more than “shopping threat”. I’ve had knifes (not guns) pointed at me in an attempt to rob the businesses I worked at. Trust me, it feels like a death sentence and you feel like you have no choice but to fight with whatever is in your hands because they just decided they were willing to take your life and they were ok with that. I’m sure they knew I might freak-out and they or myself could get hurt or even killed. But they were willing to take the chance and to take the choice away from me.
Those thefts often escalate, they would probably kill someone someday, they are thugs, not good citizens.
I don’t even think the argument should be about deterrent, because it often isn’t! I grew up with shitty people, I tried to change them, no luck. When they heard someone had guns in their house it made them want to find a time to steal them safely when they weren’t home.
So, nice big safes, or something bolted down good, and whatever on your person or like myself also in the trunk with body armor.
Its not about deterrent, its about defense of ourselves and our community, its also not about the goods. Its about the fact they are willing to come in and threaten their lives for a little bit of money. Animals….
The thefts pointed their guns at the guy, If I am that guy and the thefts point guns at me I am going to shot them. The guy didn’t shoot them in the back, he told them to stop and they took out guns and pointed them at him. I would rather this have happened than the innocent guy getting shot by two thugs.
I could not agree more…there should never be justice for anyone who is trying to rob someone else of their hard work and investment no matter what the reason…these people knew what they were doing is wrong despite the intention (even if it is for child support) its still wrong and they paid the consequences of somebody willing to do these things (sometimes it ends up in their favor sometimes in the owners favor) but either way when you try to rob somebody of their hard work because you dont want to go through the effort that they did (take the easy way and rob hardworking people and then use political correctness to defend themselves) there is a risk to it and when they took the gamble of trying to rob somebody of their hard work they also took a gamble knowing that they might defend their belonging so since they were the agressors and the others were just defending themselves they are totally guily and every other party involved is innocent because they were not looking for trouble they were just going about their daily business and then all of a sudden these gentlemen come in to hold them up and they dont have the right to shoot their intruders just because of the value of the goods….I dont think so…its not about the value of what was being attemped to be stolen, its about the principle that you should try to be productive yourself instead of trying to take other peoples productivity and effort for themselves because they are the ones that choose the easy way…to steal. This would be unjust if anyone got prosecuted from defending themselves from low life scum like this. This is a sad moment in this country if honest people trying to defend their honest hard work from people like this ever end up even going to trial for this let alone jail time…this family is completely in the wrong and these peopele who defended themselves are completely right about how they judged the situation. I give them a thumbs up and my support…and as for the criminals…well reform yourselves and become productive somehow or face your eventual demise when you try to rob us honest individuals (all hopefully well armed to protect ourselves because we know by the time the crime is over and the police arrive that there’s nothing to be done to help the situation except make a police report…big help) well then god help you because every person has the right to defend what they have worked for….THIS IS SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU HOW SICK THIS COUNTRY IS NOW.
What you have failed to realize is theft of anything equals slavery. Someone puts time, effort, money, etc. to obtain whatever the thieves have stole which essentially translate in stealing that somebody’s time, effort, money, etc. All of this and we havnt added in the the actual stickup and the unknown possibility if armed thieves would murder all witnesses. If you cannot somehow refute this, then death to all thieves.
Apparently you are not up to date on the facts of this story. You may want to do that in the future before replying. These two individuals pulled weapons and threatened the man who shot them.
Who let in the liberal? LMAO. We dont need these people in society. Period.
Threaten an innocent person with a deadly weapon while committing a crime and you should die.
End of story.
Good riddance to de Carr and Medina. Hope their scumbag pal gets life for felony murder.
are you serious? when someone is committing ARMED robbery they are absolutely committing one of the top 4 or 5 worst most violent crimes and can absolutely be shot. It has nothing to do with killing them as a punishment for STEALING MATERIAL GOODS. It is about the danger they pose, as armed robbers, to the people around them. Armed robbers kill while committing their crimes. These men pulled their guns on this man and he shot in self defense. There isn’t a better time to shoot someone than when they are an armed robber and pointing a gun at you. Grow up
If they didn’t want to take a chance on getting shot, they shouldn’t have put masks on and robbed a store. Consequences. This was the consequences for their actions.
Either you are a family member of the dead thieves, or you are hopelessly cursed with the idiot gene. I could understand their family feeling this way, after all. They’ve lost two loved ones, and when that happens by means other than natural causes, you usually feel victimized. But there comes a point in life for most people when you have to face the truth about justice, and it’s role in society. Life is hard. It’s even harder when you’re stupid.
Hey Dipsticks, how do you know that all they were there to do was to steal? I am will to bet that the vast majority of people who were beaten to death thought their assailant was going to stop beating them before they died. Many robberies have ended with the victim dead because the criminals wanted no witnesses. Breaking into a home and bringing a gun when the owner is home tells me that the individuals were up to no good. Would you like to have an armed criminal break into your house, tie you up and decide afterwards if they will let you live or not? Use your imagination of what some one could do you and or your family while you were tied up, helpless and at the mercy of a criminal. If you disagree I hope you get to experience it firsthand.
How stupid are you? Justice was served here. Those thugs robbed the store at gun point. Were the men inside supposed to roll over and die just so the families of the thugs didn’t have to feel bad? What about the families of the victims? Those men got exactly what the deserved. It’s too bad this doesn’t happen more often to thugs and gangbangers. People like them are domestic terrorists and deserve to have a target on their backs.
you need to shut up
He didn’t shoot them because they were stealing, he shot them because they had capability, opportunity, and intent to kill him, thereby completing what’s known as the ‘deadly force triangle’ which justifies the use of deadly force. ANY military member and/or police officer knows or should know this rule of law. It was justified, they were shot because they tried to kill the guy.
How much worse is it gonna get? You tell me. I could care less what you think, I’m going to defend myself, my family, and my friends from some nut cases with a gun pointed at me.
NEWS FLASH: being a ‘good guy’ doesn’t make me think twice when you point YOUR deadly weapon at me. I’m shooting, you better hope I’m a bad shot….and I’m not.
Your an idiot, you have a right to defend your property, your life and your family. I figure your a theif too, thats why your defending them.
I’ll bet your attitude would change REAL fast if 2 guys wearing masks put a gun in your face and I doubt you’ll say later, Well they only wanted my things, it’s ok.
for criminals, a lot worse, I hope.
Wow maybe someone should explain laws, values, morals, etc to them? Maybe someone should teach them how to reach and balance their food stamps first though…
Are you freaking kidding me? What if people start wearing masks and running around robbing people? How much worse can it get? If they had done a better job of raising these kids, maybe they wouldn’t be dead now.
Wow, wait to give up the personal responsibility of the people who committed the crime. That part of your ideology flew right out the window when convenient to ya, eh ?
How so? I was saying the family needs to take responsibility for how they raised these thugs and get a life.
It needs to end somewhere. I propose that it ends at my nose. When someone is actively trying to kill me I feel completely justified in killing them. And if I don’t do it to them before they do it to me then I will be killed. That is what those that want to see tort laws continued (like most of the Libertarians that I’ve talked to). Only a few want the anarchist life that Libertarians are falsely credited with. There is a reason Tupac Shakur said “ya wanna last, be the 1st to blast”.
How much worse is it gonna get if we just let people go around robbing other people? THIS is what’s wrong in America.
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“They weren’t bad kids [they just did bad things].”
“My brother was a good kid, he hung out with the wrong crowd [like his best friend who was also a good kid that died right beside him]”.
I agree but if you do bad things its natural to suffer the consequences of that…in our society now a days we stray away from personal responsiblity and thats not good….period.
Ahahahahahahahaha!! These two scumbags are right where they belong… 6 feet under!! They couldn’t even make good thugs! Worthless! Matter of fact these “family members” need to be sterilized so they can’t make anymore mistakes like these two DEAD losers!
Dig them up and shoot them again.
these are the real terrorists in our society but we get no defense from that when it comes to gov’t….so what their purpose then if they are planning on defending criminals with political correctness…
lolnope
So, the family is heart broken, but not sorry, appalled, or ashamed by their family members’ actions. Maybe they should think about that while calling for “justice.”
well said my friend…
you know whats really sad about this is how self centered this family is…because if they realize the circumstances of this situation they would realize that their son abused someone else right to be free from agression and violence…and to have economic freedom but some people just dont get this. Also what even more double sad to me is that this family isn’t even remorseful for what their son did to there poor people mentally by having to deal with this kind of guilt of killing someone and the trauma of the whole situation itself.
I couldn’t agree with you more, sir. Or with the gentleman who replied as well. Choosing thievery involves taking a risk, as does any violence towards others. Sadly, the two men involved won’t have the chance to learn their lesson. That does NOT mean the person who shot them in self-defense was to blame for the consequences of their wrong actions. If it was my family member, I’d definitely be sad as well as greatly ashamed.
ANyONE smell that? Sure smells like justice to me.
smells like justice to me too…this in my honest opinion is the way justice should work…period.
do you know who i fell bad for? the man that killed those men and im sure he has a lot of guilt over that….thats never going to go away for him he will always wonder if he could have handled the situation better somehow…not the same for the crimials…they would just try to figure out how to do the robbery better so next time this wouldn’t happen to them….this is right in my mind and justice in the purest sense there is…if you want to rob someone you better believe this can happen to you. so good luck to all you criminals out there.
Good gun control two targets two hits …..center mass …..good deal
police would have hit everyone but the suspects
Ha ha ha ha!
HOW MUCH WORSE IS IT GOING TO GET?…LOL…OBVIOUSLY A BLEEDING HEART LIBTARD
thank you for having the courage to say that…obviously they dont know about the individual right to freedom and prosperity as long as your not hurting someone else in the matter….very self centered people…if they would have taught their kids to be honest this would never have happened but they didn’t teach them good enough to know that when you try to rob someone that they might be armed (and its not mandatory to announce that) and if they are they will shoot you for it to defend themselves they are in the clear. This is the biggest hippocracy if they even see a court date for this…period!
WELL STATED!
his family should be mad at themselves for raising two pieces of shit. decent people dont rob stores
100% correct…thank god there are decent indivuals out there as I can see from your post. thank you
There should never be justice for anyone who is trying to rob someone else of their hard work and investment no matter what the reason…these people knew what they were doing is wrong despite the intention (even if it is for child support) its still wrong and they paid the consequences of somebody willing to do these things (sometimes it ends up in their favor sometimes in the owners favor) but either way when you try to rob somebody of their hard work because you dont want to go through the effort that they did (take the easy way and rob hardworking people and then use political correctness to defend themselves) there is a risk to it and when they took the gamble of trying to rob somebody of their hard work they also took a gamble knowing that they might defend their belonging so since they were the agressors and the others were just defending themselves they are totally guily and every other party involved is innocent because they were not looking for trouble they were just going about their daily business and then all of a sudden these gentlemen come in to hold them up and they dont have the right to shoot their intruders just because of the value of the goods….I dont think so…its not about the value of what was being attemped to be stolen, its about the principle that you should try to be productive yourself instead of trying to take other peoples productivity and effort for themselves because they are the ones that choose the easy way…to steal. This would be unjust if anyone got prosecuted from defending themselves from low life scum like this. This is a sad moment in this country if honest people trying to defend their honest hard work from people like this ever end up even going to trial for this let alone jail time…this family is completely in the wrong and these peopele who defended themselves are completely right about how they judged the situation. I give them a thumbs up and my support…and as for the criminals…well reform yourselves and become productive somehow or face your eventual demise when you try to rob us honest individuals (all hopefully well armed to protect ourselves because we know by the time the crime is over and the police arrive that there’s nothing to be done to help the situation except make a police report…big help) well then god help you because every person has the right to defend what they have worked for….THIS IS SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU HOW SICK THIS COUNTRY IS NOW.
Boris, I’d suggest those two armed robbers have *already* received justice. Justice was served as an armed law-abiding citizen defended himself and others by killing those two criminals.
It’s too bad more robberies and thefts don’t have a similar ending. Sure would save us a lot of tax dollars.
Self righteous pricks. your family members took it upon themselves to rob the store. how about everyone say screw the jobs lets just rob stores, how much worse will it get? to the family of the dead…too dam bad, its called natural selection
They got what they deserved !!!!
Your wannabe criminal son tries to rob a store and takes a dirt nap? BOOHOO
Maybe the parents should have spent more time teaching their kids about honor and integrity, instead of passing on the victim / entitlement mentality.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA……
After such a good laugh, I realized the reason the family is saying this is that they see dollar signs, nothing more, nothing less!
Some scumbag — er — lawyer, will try to bilk some sort of settlement money out of someone(s).
Maybe the store owner can file a counter suit. I bet he’d win.
How about arresting the parents of these two? They did a great job of raising them the “right” way….Hey parents of these two…go screw yourself!
I’m gonna say, and call me old fashioned, but after reading their comments…. I’m thinking they’re Liberals.
No lost, they will never rob anyone again
Criminals do not fear the police. They do not fear the Judge. Nor do they fear the jury. The only thing they will learn to fear… are their armed victims.
Yeah, no one ever said “Life’s fair!” — particularly when one goes around robbing others. Life has a way of bringing fairness back to such instances, maybe not right away, but eventually, life will right things.
Sucks to be the family of these dead robbers, but they’ll get over it.
fucking fantastic. Its easy, dont break the law, dont get in trouble. If people are afraid that something bad might happen maybe they will make wiser decision and if they do not. Then they dont belong in our society. We shouldnt coddle bad people and treat them like they are innocent.
You know if you raise boys like that and don’t take care of the problem yourself then you the Mother and Father should be charged with reckless endangerment of the public, it is to late to get rich off you kid now lady because of your lack of parenting he is dead and that’s the epitaph he should have on his head stone.
Russia recently ruled that the families of under-aged terrorists and criminals could be held responsible for their crimes. Maybe we need to do something like that here.
What if one of these momma’s “good boys” had killed someone during the commission of a robbery? Collateral damage?
So what kind of a chance did these masked, and armed robbers give their victims? I’m sure given the chance and opportunity the victim would have preferred not being the intended target. When you bring a gun to a robbery as a tool to create fear and intimidation you also interject a level of risk in having equal force being used against you. In presenting a gun to the victim the robbers have given reasonable evidence that they intend to use deadly force against their victims. The legal justification is there regardless of what the family thinks is justice or not. Both of these young men caused their own demise. The victim, the child who wont get his child support because his less than honest, hard working father failed to find a legal and ethical way to pay his obligations. Given his influence so far I dont believe this child has a chance.
If they told the criminals to stop as they were running away and they did not comply, they should be immobilized by any means necessary.
i can’t believe how f…ing dumb some of you are if you had to steal or rob some one just to take care of your family you would do it and don’t lie about cause that’s called, survival and my guess is none of you were born in Reading or grew up in the bad areas like i did all my life ,you do what you must and it doesn’t matter how you were brought up,
just take a look at history
So what grade did you make it to? So what you’re telling us is that if these two guys picked your house to rob you and your family. Because they wanted to take care of their family. You would fully understand if the consequences ended with your family dead or hurt. That’s what they do where I CAME from. They not only rob stores they rob houses. You’re all pussy’s and I dare any of you to try that in our town that I live in now. When someone in our city robs a store and gets away with it. We call him lucky.
The people who raise bad guys want good guys in jail? Color me stunned! They raised this trash. Of course they want the “victim” in jail. They want us all afraid to defend ourselves. They are the scum of the earth and it’s just a matter of time until they rob someone.
How about a Commander’s Commendation for the clerk. Lord only knows how much other illegal activity were connected to them. When it comes down to it, it’s fight or flight. Live by the gun, die by the gun. It’s amazing how many people don’t comprehend that second part until it’s too late.
Justice has been served honey. Yes everyone should be armed. Live would be much more civilized,
Two pieces of shit got shot and killed because they were robbing someone at gunpoint?
They GOT all the justice they needed. Right in the chest.
It’s getting so an armed robber can hardly do his/her job without running in to some civilian do gooder with a gun!
Peter Ratel, if they weren’t engaging in felonious behavior they wouldn’t have been shot. Tough shit. I’d have done the same thing. Good riddance!
I think you are allowed to use deadly force to stop a crime of violence.
I’m NOT sure if you’re allowed to do so to stop perpetrators AFTER such a crime has been committed.
these 2 douche bags are the funerals the westboro church people should be protesting
How much worse is it going to get??? Well I’m guessing the next teen thug who wants to don a face mask and rob a store, will think twice about it. I’m sorry these two are dead and their families are grieving but I’m sure glad they won’t be able to rob anyone else.
They want justice for their CRIMINAL sons? Justice has been served and it is on the parents of these young men to make sure their siblings don’t follow them down that same path to crime. If you don’t like the consequences, don’t commit the crime! As to the person that shot these young men, thank you. You just saved the public the outrageous cost of a trial and imprisonment!
Hey, I worked in a maximum security prison during my master’s program in counseling and literally everyone there thinks it’s not their fault they’re in prison! No reason the kids are criminals- they have parents that are always defending them when they do wrong.
Line’m up.
Hey , You play you Pay . These 2 were extremely Stupid .
Just keep in mind….we have politicians on the taxpayer payroll who agree with them.
The families should be fined for felonious stupidity
I hate to say it but Virginia Medina needs to be shoot to death also. She is actually saying robbing someone is a good thing. No wonder her son turned out to be a thug. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
and they actually believe what they’re saying. To them you can be a “good” man and a thief at the same time. “How much worse is it going to get?”?!?!?!!!! Unbelievable.
That’s just the criminal element speaking that would have benefited from the proceeds of the crime and helped conceal it.
You do the crime, expect some time, this sentence was eternity, think before you rob. Scumbags.
I am glad they are Dead, kill more of them and save the taxpayers money. Job well done
Well mommy if you would have raised your son to be a good law abiding citizen instead of a masked punk robbing and terrorizing good people he would be alive today! To the armed citizen…Good Shoot!!
Parents are just as ignorant as the Kids they raised!!!!
use the money to pay child support. Wow. I thought I heard it all. that family of there’s need to get a clue, that family needs to be shot as well.
I want the mom to know how stupid she is
Those two thugs deserve to die.
wow… the people benefiting from their crime spree are now no longer getting their benefits because of the thieves recent deaths, there must be justice – where would they get their benefits now?…. :p
Two armed robbers killed in the commission of a violent felony….Sounds like JUSTICE to me!!!!
They were in the middle of Doing a CRIME, they were not innocent victims , they were the monsters , the bullies, and if being shot for doing an act that they KNEW was ILLEGAL well then, thats the consequence of their actions…and you want the person that they were terrorizing to be charged?? what for?? defending himself ?? I don’t think so, what I think should happen is that the family of the monsters ,these criminals( that is what they are) should pay the victim for any mental trauma or stress HE went through or is going to go through because of this. There are consequences to your actions,so don’t do the crime, period.
You must be smoking CRACK ? They should have thought of that before trying to rob a store. And parents that think like these are the reason the both of them are dead. Anyone that threatens my life with a gun is going to get shot. If they die, no big lose, these must be obombya libtards.