In an excellent back and forth between atheist Penn Jillette and Glenn Beck a Mormon, Beck says to Penn and his audience “We just need libertarians. We need people to understand you are a libertarian constitutionalist first.”

Jillette claims that atheists today get too caught up in socialism. He expresses that the pro big government stance taken by many atheists today is harmful and counterproductive.

Religion, culture and government are discussed in this fascinating interview.

(40 Minutes long)