Homeless and cold

Florida Ordinance Makes It Illegal For Homeless To Use Blankets

Posted by Austin Petersen • 07 Feb 2014

Being Homeless Is Not A Crime

By Father Nathan Monk

PENSACOLA, FL - Living in Florida, we don’t often have the opportunity to use the heat setting on our thermostat, but this winter we got the chance in a big way. And as a matter of fact, so many people in my neighborhood were using heaters that it blew out the transformer.

So there I was with my wife and three kids, all of us huddled under blankets with the fireplace roaring, watching the temperature continue to drop from a comfortable 65 degrees down to 45. But outside it was 17 degrees and raining and sleeting, and if you were homeless, you had to consider that if you used a blanket to shield yourself from the elements, that you might be hauled off to jail for a violation of a local ordinance prohibiting using blankets, cardboard, or newspaper to cover yourself.

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This was part of a series of ordinances which prohibited using public restrooms for washing your face, panhandling, and “camping”. Though the mayor’s office and members of the city council tried to say that these ordinances were not targeted at the homeless, email correspondence between them and other city officials proved otherwise.

The anti-camping ordinance went the furthest in its limitation of basic civil liberties, making it essentially illegal, not only to cover yourself for any reason, but also effectively making it illegal to be homeless. It was a tough ordinance to fight, because if you opposed them, it gave the impression that you were supporting blight in the city. Not to mention the city council wasn’t interested in having the discussion. The then council president either would cut people off or have them thrown out during the public discussion.

The ordinances were passed, in spite of the public outcry.

One of the arguments that was constantly used during the limited debate about the ordinances, was that there was a “silent majority” that wanted to see these laws passed. So these people didn’t show up to the meetings or send emails that could be presented as part of the public record. Instead, they might have stopped a council person on the streets, so they claimed it had more weight than the hundreds of folks in the council chambers in protest. I decided to see how true this supposed silent majority was.


I started a petition, and within a day we had nearly 1,000 signatures opposing the ordinance. People began to ask the question, “Could this ordinance be used on me, or just the homeless?” And the answer from the legal staff of the city is that yes, this law was applicable to anyone who used a blanket or news paper to cover themselves in public. Even if you got stuck in a city park because it was raining and you tried to shield yourself, you would technically be in violation of this ordinance and subject to arrest. So would your wife and child if they laid down with a blanket at a picnic or festival.

 

The mayor quickly attempted to distance himself from the ordinances, placing blame on the council, even though it has been proven time and again that the memos came directly from his office, at his request. Then the mayor tried to downplay the concern of people saying that there was enough shelter, and that “no one was taking blankets away from the homeless.” But the problem is that the mayor was answering questions no one was asking, directed at accusations no one made. The issue is not that the mayor was taking away people’s blankets, because honestly that would be a violation of the illegal search and seizure clause in the constitution, but rather that someone could be arrested simply for being homeless.




The argument that there are shelters open and that they should just go there, showed exactly why the mayor shouldn’t be making policy about things which he doesn’t understand. Not only are there not enough shelter beds for everyone within the city limits, there is not even a shelter within the city limits for them to go to. If someone was to seek shelter, they would have to go into the county and have a valid ID. Not to mention that many folks don’t qualify for shelters for other reasons and many won’t patronize them because they are veterans who suffer from PTSD.

The major shelter in town only allows for people to stay three days a month, unless they join their drug rehabilitation and Christian indoctrination program. This is the only solution the city is willing to put forward. No matter if someone ends up on the streets due to bad decision, disability, a poor economy, or if they simply just prefer living outside to dealing with the trappings of the modern life, it should go without saying that they have an absolute right to cover themselves with a blanket.

The idea that something as basic as covering oneself from the elements could land them in jail is just about as far away from the founding documents as it gets. Then again, it is easy to pick on people that don’t have a voice. But as the poem goes, “and then they came for me.” To help fight the ordinance visit the change.org petition here:

http://www.change.org/petitions/mayor-ashton-haward-stop-the-no-blankets-for-the-homeless-ordinance

Father Nathan Monk lives in Pensacola, Florida and studied Theology at Holy Resurrection Orthodox Seminary.

  • Guy Anthony

    Every legislator who voted for this ordinance should be stripped naked
    and thrown out into sub zero temperatures to die a horrible, painful
    freezing death.
    YES, —– I’m dead serious.
    I would take
    personal pleasure in standing there taunting them as their miserable
    lives slipped away. I’m getting sick of this shit.

  • Kirsten

    I along with my boyfriend and two friends we met are currently homeless and it has been hard for us. We constantly move around to avoid detection by the law. On multiple occasions my boyfriend and I have been shook down by the cops and searched because of how bad we look at times. When they question us we always say we just got off work. During the day time my boyfriend tries to get work while I attend school. Most people are amazed when we tell them our situation and things we are doing to survive. More than twice we have dumpster dived for food, we only get things that are in a trash bag away from other things. We have gotten it down to a schedule of when different places through out food. At times it can be so hard for us to make it through the day, that we are ready to just give up. We all make it through each day by helping each other the best we can. If one couple finds food and the other doesn’t we share the goods. It’s scary at night time though. If you are not careful the cops will get you simply for walking around at night. We give a fake address so that they leave us alone but if one figures it out, then we are going to jail. Then when we find a place to hide, we cannot see in the pitch black, and we have to try to be as careful as we can not to get hurt. We constantly move locations so that nobody can figure out what we are doing. Our tent we have is destroyed and floods when it rains but there is really nothing we can do. We have to eat and if no one in the group gets work that day we either starve or dumpster dive. We often hide out nights and sometimes in the day time as well. These ordinances have made being homeless even worse than it already is. I do not think that the people who passed these ordinances have ever been homeless a single day in their lives. They obviously have not put into consideration how it will affect us.

  • SickOf BeingCoddled

    I live in Maine, Tell me where to send a gift of fifty blankets, and as a bonus a pillow for everyone!!! I am serious . Pensacola needs all of yo on here to go get nomination papers and take back your city!!

  • SickOf BeingCoddled

    the members of this city that voted for this ordinance will have to answer to their maker. Is there no end to how uncivilized people can become. God help the needy and have MINIMAL mercy on the souls of those with Dark hearts

  • ImTheMomInTheSilverMazda

    I’m past thinking it’s wrong to just sit here for five minutes and hope this Mayor keels over from Nuclear Dystentary,

  • Feeley Vee

    I am boycotting Florida and Arizona for life. Screw these miserable places.

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

    FL cops have ‘raided’ homeless areas many times before, destroying private property of the homeless, cutting up their tents and DARING them to protest or lift a finger to keep it from happening.

    • Kirsten

      That happens a lot

  • BryanCooper

    Shame!

  • Joy Lynskey

    If I ever see anyone tearing a blanket off of a homeless person, I’m getting involved.

  • Eddie

    I think these so called lawmakers should have to spend 30 days in the streets in the elements and see how well they survive. No money, no clothes, no clean laundry service, no car, no shelter, and NO BLANKETS! I bet they would change their attitudes…I wish every single one of them to become homeless!

  • Matheus Grunt

    Those who are homeless who want to be helped and want to stay warm should be able to. This ordinance is an unconstitutional code & nobody is obliged to obey it.

  • rod

    Newspaper, or cardboard, I might be able to understand, since they would lose their usefulness fairly quickly, and get discarded, causing more trash in the streets. What is wrong with using a blanket, though, to try to be more comfortable?

  • Phil Petain

    Whine away, stupid fuc king liberals.

    They ought to pay $50 for the scalps of homeless bums.

    • Reverend Draco

      Are you volunteering to be first, ya bum?

    • Kirsten

      that is just wrong. there are women and children along with men that are homeless. do you think they should pay $50 for the scalp of a pregnant homeless girl? you honestly just don’t get it, do you.

  • Jimmy NoChit

    Is a poncho a blanket with a hole in it, or is a blanket with a hole in it, a blanket with a hole in it?

  • Reverend Draco

    Since there have been “hate crime” laws passed, outlawing the demonizing of not-white people and gays – “Domicilism” is the last (perhaps I should say, “latest”) bastion of the terminally ignorant and chronically fearful.

    No longer can a person legally be demonized for the not-white color of their skin, or their “gender identity” – but harassing them based on their domicile or lack thereof is fair game.

    I like the idea I’ve seen many people here promote – everyone who is against this counterfeit law should wear a blanket over their shoulders, a cardboard codpiece, and a newspaper hat when they go out in public.

    Better yet, when they come across some clown-costumed thug harassing someone covered with a blanket – jack them without mercy – the same mercy they’re showing the homeless.

  • Dave

    Ahhh, more Republican Liberty at work…..

  • lunchbox87

    Do it get arrested and just get to spend the night in a warm jail cell

  • David Guerra

    On the one hand it’s intolerable that there could be people with the authority to tell others that they can’t wear or carry a particular garment or piece of cloth. On the other, though, I’m not sure I would mind going to jail if I was freezing outside. The logical action a “law and order” agent should enforce though, to be worthy of such designation, would be to approach the blanketed person and offer him/her accomodation somewhere, not to forcibly take him/her.

  • Rachel Louise Spenader

    I see nothing from this article to be appealing.

  • Kaptain K

    quick way to change all of this. Make a public outcry that requires anyone in favor of this form of legislation be required to be completely homeless for a period of no less than 1 month. And subject to all applicable laws.

    …In Minnesota, or somewhere else equally cold. See how quick they change their minds.

    This is why laws should never be made by people not affected by them.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/angelsofhope2008 Dave M.

    When the law is stupid or evil, people have both the right, and obligation, to break it. Just ask Thomas Jefferson.

  • Sandsto7

    I would let them haul me to jail where I’d get a blanket, a cot, and a free meal in a temperature controlled room. It still doesn’t make the law right, though.

  • Lisa J

    This ordinance is utterly reprehensible. I have gone out of my way at times to get an extra blanket for someone — and sometimes some hot soup and hot chocolate for these less fortunate people. As a nation we send tons of money to other countries in aid, and yet in our country, we turn our backs on the less-fortunate and brand them as criminals????? I am appalled…

  • Teri

    Barbaric and inhumane. wow.

  • Cally Trask

    Why don’t they get really serious about eliminating undesirables in their town and ban all public restrooms. I’d love to see it! If I lived in the town I’d be outraged—thank God, I don’t. The citizens should be up in arms though. After working all week long, if someone wants to go lay down at the park on a blanket or God forbid have a picnic, they shouldn’t be hassled. If someone wants to protect half of their face by covering it to avoid skin cancer from the rays of the sun–again, this should NOT be illegal. Would a towel constitute being a blanket? I guess that a hat or other articles of clothing are their only option now.

  • Nancy Keeler

    Throw the council members out in the cold…naked.

  • cos seven

    how do politicians stay alive?

  • Cat L

    Gotta love those “humane” republicans. ugh!

  • Judith Garrett-Bynon

    This is just cruel.

  • Ryver Stix

    A good point about it would be, they get a warm bed for the night and 3 meals a day (though it is despicable, I have to try to see a good side to it)

    • Kirsten

      only problem with that is if let’s say you have a family that is homeless; a pregnant girl; or someone who is depressed.

  • LonesomeDove

    “Though the mayor’s office and members of the city council tried to say that these ordinances were not targeted at the homeless,”

    Tell me…who ELSE would they be targeted to? I’m sure you are going to be writing tickets to the couple picnicking in the park…or at the outdoor concert.

  • Sean225

    Many people are homeless because of mental issues. There is nothing wrong with wanting to attempt to control the homeless population of an area. Being outraged that the homeless guy isn’t allowed to have a blanket doesn’t really address the root of the problem which is his mental health. A lot of these people choose to live on the street and refuse shelter because of various mental health issues. We too often want to victimize the homeless when in reality they are victims of their own minds which do not allow them to function as normal people in society. It is a complex issue too complicated for either the dope’s on the left or the right to deal with.

    • Cally Trask

      Your last sentence sums up your stance beautifully—it’s too complicated, if you ignore it long enough, the problem will correct itself. As long as they keep moving on to the next town and the next, and the next–you’re cool with it. Eventually, they’ll get desperate enough, screw up and get locked up in jail—problem solved—right??!

      • Jimmy NoChit

        how many homeless crazy people do you have living with you? (not counting yourself)

  • Mark

    I’m sure there are more pressing issues at hand…but these politicians choose to waste time (and tax payer dollars) writing such irrelevant laws?

  • James Nimmons

    more Republican crap about killing the poor. I find it funny that free market libertarians who mostly want to do away with “entitlements” are even outraged by this.. Gary Johnson was for private prisons..where do you think the poor will be going?

  • Flybob

    The problem with these morons is that they sit in their air conditioned homes and convince themselves that everyone thinks just like them, they’re just not as fortunate. The reality is that even if one is completely lucid and sane WHEN they lose their shelter, it makes most of them think on a completely different level that has been affected by their environment. Some go completely insane and other most likely get close to it. Many people die from exposure simply because they don’t know any better and they just fall asleep, never to wake again. All this takes place while we allow our borders to be over run by violent criminals and those who would take from the ones that REALLY count, American citizens. We should all hang our heads in shame. I do. By the way, MANY MANY of these homeless people are AMERICAN VETERANS THAT HAVE LOST THEIR WAY AND CAN”T COPE WITH THEIR MINDS OVER THINGS THEY HAD TO DO!!! SHAME HAS NO BOUNDRIES!!! HELP THESE PEOPLE AND STOP SUPPLYING ABLE BODIED LAZY PEOPLE WITH CELL PHONES!!!

    • Cally Trask

      you nailed it, well said

    • Reverend Draco

      A full 25% of all homeless are Vets. . . virtually all with a mental or physical disability which is not being properly treated.

      “Support Our Troops” is merely a catch-phrase. . . a way for the morally bankrupt to show what good people they wish they were. . . when the SHTF – the troops get about as much support as a bra-less 90 year old woman’s breasts. . .

  • Nancy Gladkin-Hessler

    Rather than giving the homeless blankets or leaving them under newspapers in cardboard boxes during these frigid times, how about all you people who are up in arms against the laws, make a difference and give the homeless people jackets and coats! Problem solved! Throw in some stocking caps while you’re at it, as so much heat is lost through the head. Find out where your local P.A.D.S. or warming centers are and give the people a lift there! It’s really easy to gripe about stupid laws, but if you don’t pitch in to help, then YOU are part of the problem too. And, yes, before the backlash starts, I HAVE done this, and in Florida, while visiting one autumn!

  • Cuda

    Maybe if the city spent the money earmarked for enforcement of these ordinances for a shelter with basic facilities they could control and help improve the lives they are pushing further down. I am sure the local churches, volunteers, businesses could all come up with a plan and a place to help these people rather than crushing them further!

  • Revolution Solutions

    hey you ordinance types,can you please go die someplace else because this planet is for humans and animals not for fucked up laboratory made monsters……or humans who ve lost their humanity as a matter of fact.the later we send to a greek island for holidays with the bigdick greek…..i hope you die horrible deaths suffering and ill.thats my fucken wish for you ordinance babies…

  • Karen Rivers

    This is ridiculous. Once again it show how desperate law makers are to take the focues off the major political issues. If the people who wrote these laws spent half as much time into solving affordable housing problems this would not be an issue.

  • gabriel314

    Going to jail is not the answer to this problem. If you feel for these homeless people, do you really want them to be in the care of a psychopathic system? These cops beat the hell out of the homeless for the fun of it.

  • michael levens

    this is one step away from camps for the undesirables ”prisons” so the elites do not have to see ,or think about them,from there Auschwitz is a short slide.they arent representing me with what is historically a prelude to death camps

  • legendster

    So you fucktard americans can lie barebody on the beaches of Miami but it is a crime to cover yourself up ? WOW what a country!! pathetic!!

  • Difdi

    I wonder…does the ordinance specify all the places where blankets are illegal? Or is it a (heh) blanket ban? If the latter, could you be arrested for using blankets in your own yard, house or bed?

  • macwoof

    thank you for speaking up on behalf of those who have little or no power. signed and shared.

  • asokanvvr

    already India is barbaric now florida also. let the law makers go in the road with casual dresses without any goats and feel the ice.

  • George Saladin

    better a jail cell than the outdoors- slightly more warmth and less windchill?
    crazy world

  • berthling

    Personally I think that a recall petition (if it’s legally applicable) would be a good idea. Until you put the onus directly on those that would pass such an utterly ridiculous law you won’t really get their attention.
    Or a lawsuit filed on behalf of those needing a blanket.

  • wb7ptr

    It worked in Nazi Germany when the Jews in Holland were forced to wear the yellow star … gentiles there joined them, and even the King wore one. They had NO way to sort out the Jews there. I think at this point that mass action and civil disobedience might be in order to shut down these discriminatory laws. They’d run out of space in jai for everyone ….

  • Joe Tittiger

    Try being homeless…. you like most are clueless as to the causes and the solutions…

    This is also why the homeless are disarmed as many would just shoot the tyrant trying to enforce this tyrannical law. So glad the useless troops are defending our freedoms.

  • JNWesner

    Just a shot in the dark, but is it remotely possible that this mayor and the city council are — Republicans?

  • Louis Merriman

    IF ANY COP TRIED TO WELL NOT COP I MEAN PIG CAUSE THERE ARE PIGS AND NICE COPS IF I WAS SHELTERING MYSELF FROM THE RAIN AND U TOOK AWAY MY SHELTER ILL KNOCK YOUR PIG ASS OUT AND SKIN U ALIVE AND WEAR YOUR SKIN AS MY RAINCOAT…

  • T.j. Thomas

    So in other words these localities don’t believe in property rights, since that’s what this also comes down to.

  • Marcus Casavant

    Civil disobedience is the answer….Like St. Augustine said, “an unjust law, is no law at at”

  • Christine Lenz

    I would cover myself and be taken to jail. . .3 hots and a cot. They didn’t think this through. Idiots.

  • bsmsnudge

    The thing that I don’t understand is why those that have so much hate those that have nothing so viciously.

  • Donald Anthony Floyes Jr.

    If you are cold, grab a blanket and get a night stay in a heated jail, may be better off to let them cover up than to house and feed the violators. Just another gross infringement on peoples un-inalienable rights!

  • Hunter Lucas

    Welcome to America–where the rich just get richer, and the poor you don’t ever have to see.

  • Baconcheese burger

    Wtf Florida? I bet jews did this.

  • aNDi

    So have you given thought to the fact that jail is warmer, and has food and clean water? I know someone who went to jail on purpose because they were homeless. I didn’t read your whole article because it’s too ridiculous. Sorry.

    • SandyIam

      Sometimes you fight a cause on PRINCIPLE, not necessarily because of it’s practical or convenient outcome. Yes a jail might provide you more creature comforts, but it deprives you of freedom – the power to make and live by your own choices.

      You might find that “ridiculous”, but once you ignore the chipping away of your rights to the point where you no longer have any, it will then be too late to fight for them.

  • baws

    terrible ordinance, but I don’t see how any of it could possibly be unconstitutional

    • SandyIam

      In a nation that can somehow find a “constitutional” right to kill their unborn children, don’t pretend that a constitutional right to ANYTHING cannot be imagined or created. That being said, some good constitutionalists can argue that it violates the 1st Amendment right to freely express yourself and peacefully assemble. Another argument is the 4th Amendment right to be secure in your own personal effects….and a 5th Amendment violation against being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment, such as being forced to endure the life threatening elements without the legal ability to protect yourself.

  • Joanie Azusa Jolie

    Always show up in groups to political rallies and town meetings with at least one person carrying a rope with a hangman’s noose. Elected officials should be shown the noose as they will understand that there is more to governing than what they pass down from on high. They should remember the political base will express their desires for removal if they don’t vote how we want them too. If it is egregious we may not wait for the usual political cycles..

  • Eric Bäcker

    I grew up in Key West Florida and they have lame county ordinances in place to throw homeless people in jail. They wanted them in jail to make the city look cleaner for tourists. in the 1990s when I was growing up down there there were a lot of street kids that came down. They were also targeted because the superficial city is more concerned about curb appeal even if it means throwing humans away to clean up the streets. They also targeted local kids hanging out. Many of us have records now and countless lives have been ruined for the sake of superficiality.

  • Scott Britton

    Shame on such callous disregard of citizen’s human rights under natural law and our constitution.

  • mikethedyke

    the capitalist war on the poor continues. Disgusting.

  • Brenden T. Lee

    What the hell are they supposed to do, do jumping jacks all night to keep warm? How stupid does it make the lawmakers to establish a law like this? Morons in every government.

  • scherben

    Rich scum attacking the poor again
    If only Isaiah 3:14-25 was real life…

  • Azznerak

    Dear over-privileged Florida politicians. You are scum. I pray you have to spend the rest of your pitiful lives living under a over-pass and eating the remains of rat carcasses. If I ever come to your waste of a state I will bring blankets to give to the homeless. If you don’t like it kindly direct your concerns to the hole between by chair cushions, because that’s where your sorry ordinance should go.

  • Clay Dungey

    Just shows how stupid the American voters are, another good reason for recall elections. Perhaps we should make all democrats ILLEGAL?

  • hp b

    Why don’t the churches (houses of God) open their doors and get the kitchen stoves going? They can write any undue expenses off their taxes.
    Ohhhhh, riiiiiight. Never mind.

    • hp b

      What’s the matter you thumbs down Christian you?
      Afraid the riffraff might dirty up the place?

      Who would Jesus hang with, the homeless or the hypocrites?

  • DarkSerenity

    Love how they don’t cite the ordinance that was passed or a link to where people can actually read the ordinance.

  • Ozarks Sentinel

    Far too many who go by the name “Christian” fail to understand the simple message : “Love”. By showing His love and tolerance we can further His cause. By showing meanness and hatred, we drive people away. These ordinances were directly targeted at one group.Very sad.

  • Kim Smith Tharp

    Every homeless person in Florida should go there with blanket in hand. Then they would have free food and shelter at the jail.

  • Andy Lester

    If one homeless person dies of exposure in Pensacola and they are found without a blanket then the entire city council and mayor should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

  • citizenw

    The Un-Nanny State: like the Nanny State, it wants to run your life (into the ground, if possible).

  • rosepetal57

    So where is the petition???

  • J Mig III

    Criminalizing poverty. The New America. We are fading into selfishness.

  • Tara E. Chavez

    So when the fire fighters wrap people in a blanket, is that illegal too?

  • Joseph Smith

    I lived in Pensacola most of my life. trust me when I tell ya, they will use that ordinance against you who own homes. this trend of making laws against the publics demand is not only immoral it is a criminal act against the citizens of this country. the only way this will cease and desist is to take all of the councilmembers who voted for things like this and shoot them out in public. yeah right,,,, violence isn’t the way. yep you’re goddamned right it’s not the way. but I haven’t seen where voting them out has had any valid, viable effect. every time you wind up with worse than you had before. so how’s that working out for you?

  • VonEnemy

    maybe jail is better? 3 hots and a place to sleep… it could backfire and overload the jails …. just throwing it out there

  • Guest

    It always amazes me when someone calls the love of Christ indoctrination

    • Panda Monium

      Certainly. Two very separate phenomena.But I would say that trading somebody a warm place to sleep for having to listen to any religious programming is certainly indoctrination. Christ himself wasn’t transactional like that, was he? He would have given bed to the homeless without requiring anything. That’s why it’s love.

  • Heidi Waid

    I seriously thought the same thing. Everyone should wear Blankets. They
    put into law something the people don’t want. The only way to change it
    is to stand together. But that is just a “Mommy” thing to say, about
    getting along or solving problems. The problem is the people who decided
    these laws, they are getting paid by us to do it. And just because
    anyone feels its not right, Their mortgage will still be paid and Their
    children will still be fed. They will not face jail or fines. If you were
    able to find a large enough group to protest, they would all have to be
    strong and willing to be hurt. Those people will be doing it after or
    instead of work. Their homes and children and jobs will be at risk.
    The fines and jail time would compound that. And if any enforcer out there gets a hard on for single people wearing blankets these encounters could end their financial security or life even. People cannot just lollygag around the city breaking the law. They know it. And we know it. This stuff turns into such shit for me, I wish I had never even thought about it. I don’t even live in Florida. Two days ago I got all worked up over that cop and the fireman. Going to spend the day with my grand babies and gonna put this away Cuz its freaking Hot in Florida.

  • Ben Tv Howman

    This is clearly a crime against humanity and the local law makers need to be held accountable for this. The Federal government needs to step in and arrest the local law makers for ‘Crimes against Humanity’ and they need to be held accountable for ANY illness or deaths that arise as a result of this blatant disregard for human life

  • Beau O’Connell

    Absolute an extreme thinking is pointless and counter-productive. Had
    our country not expended untold billions, if not trillions of dollars on
    useless wars we could feed and shelter (and provide cars, retraining
    for work, clothing etc…) to all those who need it. Aside from ordinary compassion, It has been well established that
    all the money wasted in war and corporate welfare could easily solve
    these problems of homelessness, hunger and illiteracy. The focus is
    misguided in today’s world, and we are spiraling towards global economic
    collapse. Were we to reinvest in the people, bring them up to a higher
    level, all would prosper.

  • Blither box

    Oh,the humanity.But not on this planet.

  • Gordon Lehnert

    You can’t see the Forest for the Trees. Hopefully you will never find yourself homeless, I don’t think you could handle it.

  • Badger Badgerism

    AMERICA LAND OF the FREE… BULLSHIT…TIME TO REVOLT

  • Jill

    As a police officer that must stop and take one to jail for covering himself with a blanket, could you honestly sleep at night for doing such a CRIME? Maybe the goal behind this is to put the homeless in jail, more in jail more money for them – at least in this part of Florida, where I live; the jail system in not rehabilitation, it is a money pit. Yes, true & coming not from a criminal either.

    • rickdeez

      We are all criminals. Some criminals have been caught and some have not. Don’t believe me? Start digging through all the laws. When you have gotten through all of them you will see what I am typing about.

  • Paul Thomas

    Florida is weird and the panhandle needs to secede and go back to their natural cultural havens of racist white Alabama and Georgia…

  • Barry Newman

    Recall them

  • Chris Witha C

    You have to ask yourself …. who’s the idiot in the first place that voted these clowns into office???

  • Jill

    I’m am sorry that all of the concerned people on this feed have to see this … but I cannot help myself when it comes to these kind of ignorant assholes.
    DEAR MR. “THE FEDERAL FARMER” (In other words FEDERAL DOUCHEBAGG):
    You must be the most loneliest looser in AMERICA, as you have nothing better to do but sit on ur computer and comment about irrelevant nonsense to those who actually give a damn. Why dont you go find something to do other than bother those who actually give a damn about some pathetic piece of shit taking a homeless man’s blanket, like yourself.
    Smartass, by fighting that would mean STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT! Not what makes u feel smart, or maybe is it that you can’t get laid and u need some attention, IS THIS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET IT? God punishes, & one day u may be homeless, not allowed to use a blanket & wish someone would ‘FIGHT’ for YOU!
    If you are not here to help go find something else to do that may pleasure you …. LIKE GET LAID!
    Good Day,
    Someone who actually gives a shittt.

  • Gordon Lehnert

    You can’t stand still because you’re loitering, you can’t go in the parks and sit because you’re tresspassing, you can’t do anything but continue walking until it gets dark then you go into hiding and hope you don’t get beat up and robbed not by other homeless but stupid rich white kids. Reda the papers it’s all in there. Slowride5

  • Gordon Lehnert

    see what happens when you give up your guns.

    • Paul Thomas

      wtf? You’re a weirdo… and exactly the type of person I wish the government would stop from owning a gun…

  • Jill

    I am lost for words, that a person of any intelligence would do something so stupid, and even worse the most evil thing I have yet seen. I wouldn’t be the first person to stop and give the homeless a dollar, but without a doubt in my mind would I be the first to stop and feed or give all of them something to cover themselves with. This is so saddd. Doing everything I can to get that petition complete!

  • David Drake

    Hey guys. Cut a hole in the middle put it over your head then it is a poncho not a blanket and screw them with the semantics.

  • Jeremy L

    Three points: 1. Don’t make assumptions about other people, this applies equally to citizens and city council equally. 2. If you are making the laws, ask yourself the following – Will this law Violate anything in the constitution, will this violate any basic human rights, and will this cost more money than I am willing to spend on it? If the answer to those three are either Yes or Maybe, perhaps it’s a stupid law that needs a better revision. And of course #3. If you want a change, initiate the change, don’t let someone else initiate it for you.

  • mom

    Rather than fight for the right of homeless to cover up w/blankets & cardboard, why not fight for better mental health care? Whatever happened to institutions that cared for the mentally ill? Is it the best scenario for homeless to lie about in parks or on benches? In San Francisco, the homeless have ‘rights’ too, so they are everywhere…in the middle of the day, they lie right on the sidewalks & folks just step around them. Buses have to adjust their stops, since one might be lying right there! Is this what you want? Let’s face it, most street people are mentally ill or addicted. They would be best served getting HELP! not by enabling them with rights to a blanket!

    • Jerry Boyer

      That is the most ignorant thing I have read all day. And I bet I’ve seen 25% of the internet today. They are probably mostly crazy or high so we shouldn’t fight for them to have a blanket? WE SHOULDN’T HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THEM TO HAVE A BLANKET! There shouldn’t even be a discussion like this. There are more empty homes in America than there are homeless.
      Let’s face it, most street people are PEOPLE. Children, mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers. Entire families that you just naturally assume are stoned lunatics.
      Shameful.

      • mom

        You are totally missing my point. All this energy directed at a ‘blanket law’? So as long as these folk have their blankies, everything is alright? We need to focus on providing more care for mental health/addictions/whatever! Also on bringing back more decent paying jobs!

    • @libnletlib

      “Whatever happened to institutions that cared for the mentally ill?” Ronald Reagan closed down all the asylums and threw everyone out on the street. THIS is partly to blame on why our country is so deranged now.

  • TomfromWB

    Anatole France: “In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread.” 1894

  • Kathryn Hildebrandt

    Tell me if I am naive, but, why not go ahead and use a blanket, and if they really want to use the resources to arrest you, you get a warm place to sleep that night, yes?

  • Steve Jones

    You can NOT be for this stupid ordinance and be a Christian….absolutely 100% impossible! :(

  • guy r west

    just wait till its their turn they will think differently then vengeance is mine saith the Lord

  • Waskully_Wabbits

    I signed the petition. Thank you for spreading the word and letting people know of this ridiculous ordinance. By sharing this news you are helping strangers help strangers… and it’s a beautiful thing. Unfortunately, I think people become enraged when reading about these things and go straight to the comments section to let out their anger. I know I’m guilty sometimes. But all we end up doing is taking it out on each other and doing nothing towards the issue that sparked the flame. Turning the anger into action is the most productive way to channel it. Thanks again and keep us updated! :)

  • Bernie O’Mahony

    Dispicable how these people are allowed to pass stupid laws in America.

  • Nancy Dixon Deming

    OMG DID THESE PEOPLE FALL AND HIT THERE HEADS OR WHAT? GET REAL PEOPLE!!!

  • subyz

    What kind of ‘Father Monk’ has a wife and children?

    • Nicole

      His last name is Monk.

  • Timothy Goodness

    I didn’t find the name of the town or the mayor… Why?

    • Nicole

      Pensacola, Florida.

    • Jerry Boyer

      First two words of the entire story…..Pensacola, FL.

  • Joseph Edward Bodden

    flash mob – every city with this ordinance, suggested dress code… blanket capes. say a few or even a hundred thousand people…

  • Michael Smalley

    Compassionate Conservatism at work again.

  • Andrew Huey Yelley

    iam.with Susan Littleton have a wear banket day 90% of people are one paycheck from being homeless I know I am

  • PatriotDawn

    If you;re a cop in Florida and you;re such a cold-hearted bastard as to harass any homeless person for using a blanket to keep warm, you need a bullet in your chest. Plain and simple.

  • tom

    Poor Linus.

  • Roy Linford Adams

    So it’s illegal for me to wash the sweat from my face after washing my hands in your public bathrooms? May as well make it illegal for a man to shake more than three times after taking a piss while you’re at it.

    • Beau O’Connell

      It is! That’s masturbating in public, which is against the law! BUSTED!!! ;)

  • oldranger68

    As has been stated. Simple en masse Civil Disobedience. The reaction from TPTB will be a harbinger of things which may be to come.

  • Fred

    There just aren’t words to describe the cruelty and stupidity at work here.

  • peter3dogs

    How many foreigners have bought up properties in Tampa??Are businesses forced to use E-Verify to only hire Americans.Is Not Blanket apparel a style/1st amendment expression?/ Is there a fine for a violation?/Bearsden V .Georgia 1983 Prohibits jail for those unable to pay the fine.

  • Efrain

    The question is why are there poor people? is easier to talk about African poverty of Cuba or thoughts about a myth but talk about this in the United States, this can not be called democracy, “democracy” can not mean the same as “elections”

  • Thor Agustsson

    It would be cheaper for the city to house them in shelters and not jail…….they dont realize most are mentally ill and will not leave town if you dont let them use blankets. The politicians think everyone thinks like themselves and are disconnected with how the poor and mentally ill actually think.

    • Nicole

      The shelters there require you to join a religion based program in order to stay more than three nights. Waterfront Rescue Mission is notorious for that issue.

  • Judi Sutton

    It’s Florida….next somebody will use the Stand Your Ground law because they thought someone with a blanket was going to kill them.

  • creekside408

    The human right to not die of exposure trumps the city’ s interest in appearances.

  • Desiree Seifert

    The mayor is a total ASS HOLE!

  • alaskan1st

    Why do the non-tax payers even have the right to live here? Or to live at all?………Back. Get back you right wing demon. Get out of my head.

  • Chris Martin

    So many bad ass typists everywhere i read.

  • JCM-51

    Better idea…open the doors to your home and give them a warm place to sleep, eat and clean themselves up.

  • JCM-51

    Better idea…open the doors to your home and give them a warm place to sleep, eat and clean themselves up.

  • Chris Martin

    So many , bad ass typists.

    • John Wright

      who died and made you the spelling police

  • William Tanner

    So women whom breast feed in public locations, such as the mall or parks cannot cover themselves with a blanket. then on top of that the women who feed there child without covering are also breaking the indecent exposure laws. Small children in infant carriers cannot be covered in public with blankets. Hmm just doesn’t sound right, our maybe even partially chauvinistic.

    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

      These women (and the homeless) should all get “shawls” [winkwink]

    • Beau O’Connell

      Since we are all covering ourselves with clothing, then we are all in violation of this ordinance! But, but, if we walk around naked, we will be in violation of some sort of anti-nudity ordinance! The top .000001% will not be happy until we are all of us either dead or imprisoned.

  • Watchwoman

    “…unless they join their drug rehabilitation and Christian indoctrination program.”

    I take it there is a Christian organization willing to take them in on the condition they are drug free and listen to the gospel of Christ, which is the reason for their being taken in in the first place? So suddenly this is wrong? Suddenly this is “indoctrination?” The author makes it sound like the shelter is a cult intent on brain-washing. I think there is a smidgen of anti-Christian bias in this piece.

  • Watchwoman

    “…unless they join their drug rehabilitation and Christian indoctrination program.”

    I take it there is a Christian organization willing to take them in on the condition they are drug free and listen to the gospel of Christ, which is the reason for their being taken in in the first place? So suddenly this is wrong? Suddenly this is “indoctrination?” The author makes it sound like the shelter is a cult intent on brain-washing. I think there is a smidgen of anti-Christian bias in this piece.

    • Nicole

      What if the homeless person is Jewish? Why do they have to worship a specific god in order to get help or shelter?

      • Watchwoman

        They are not required to “worship;” only to listen to the reasons Christians serve the homeless and the poor–out of the love of Jesus Christ.

        • Nicole

          Nope. I’m from Pensacola. I can assure you that is not what it’s about at all. They are absolutely required to believe. The first thing people ask you there is “what church do you go to?” While simultaneously spitting on the poor and acting as un-Christlike as possible. I speak from 15 years of experience living in that hellhole.

    • Jerry Boyer

      Hell yes it’s indoctrination. If you were hungry, or cold, or in need of shelter and I told you HAD to listen to me preach the word of Allah, or Satan, or L.Ron Hubbard, or John Lennon, or…..you know what? You never have to answer that question. Because that would never happen. If you are in need…then it should ME listening to you, not the other way around.
      If Christ himself showed up homeless (because we all know, he was pretty much a homeless wanderer), would you turn him away because he didn’t want to listen to YOUR skewed version of HIS doctrine?

      • Watchwoman

        The shelter is run according to the principles and convictions of the people who serve. They have the right to tell people the why and how they reach out to the homeless, to whom they are offering free stuff in the name of Christ. For God’s sake, it isn’t a brainwashing center. Remember, the homeless do not HAVE to go there in the first place. If they are offended by Christians reaching out to them in the name of Christ, they can leave.

      • Watchwoman

        What you want is a shelter run according to YOUR beliefs; your doctrines. So go out and do it. Go get the people under bridges and on benches and living in cardboard boxes in YOUR name, according to the gospel of Jerry.

        • Jerry Boyer

          What I want is a shelter that is run on the belief that people need shelter, not religion.
          I do my part. And I ask nothing in return. It’s as simple as “here’s enough for you to have a meal, have a blessed day”. I don’t need to secure their salvation, I don’t need to condescend. I don’t need to lecture.
          Christ tells us to feed the hungry, care for the sick, clothe the naked, and shelter the poor. He doesn’t qualify that with “IF they will listen to your schtick”.

  • Steve Merrette

    Better yet we’ll send the homeless over to your homes so you can take care of them if you care about them that much. We’ll see how long you want them around too when they start peeing all over or bringing your property values down. F’n bunch of hypocrites here, oh don’t do this to the homeless but I don’t want to bring them home myself…

    • Beau O’Connell

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  • Steve Merrette

    Better yet we’ll send the homeless over to your homes so you can take care of them if you care about them that much. We’ll see how long you want them around too when they start peeing all over or bringing your property values down. F’n bunch of hypocrites here, oh don’t do this to the homeless but I don’t want to bring them home myself…

  • billjcanada

    city hall can be made to look real stupid (as if they need any help) with a bit of civil disobedience

  • LoveInsanity

    So then the homeless move to a community where it’s easier to be homeless and that community has to deal with an increased homeless population. Community #1 gets rewarded for being jerks and community #2 gets punished for being nicer.

    I live in community #2 and I’m getting tired of it.

  • Donela Perry

    Geelong Mayor

    you asked and we listened! To help the homeless cope in extreme heat like today we’re giving them free entry to our pools.
    Through the Salvation Army, they have been provided with swim passes, towels, bathers, sunscreen, backpacks & drink bottles.

    This is a town in Australias answer to the weather her we have had extreme heat his facebook page is called Geelong Mayor

  • mrswright

    what city in florida is this?

  • Peter Martinez

    Nuts. If they don’t want them warming themselves out in the cold then provide shelter for them.

  • Steve Randolph

    The audacity of the council to pass these regulations is staggering. Consider the mother that takes her children to the park. The youngest child is two months old and is in a baby carrier with a blanket over it. Regardless of the air temp, this baby is breaking the law. What would happen if a cop arrested the baby because of this? The residents of Pensacola should all band together and remove the mayor and council from office. These politicians are not even human anymore.

    • http://people.ign.com/friendlyfireisnt Rusty Shackelford

      Maybe it’s time for an “American Spring”??

  • http://people.ign.com/friendlyfireisnt Rusty Shackelford

    How to solve the homeless problem.
    First of all, buy some land in the far remote reaches of the western USA.
    Build a special kind of “work camp “on this large parcel of land.
    Buy or rent some railroad box cars and then round up and deport the homeless from every city in Florida. The entire country even.
    You can make all the homeless wear some sort of colorful label or symbol that easily identifies the person as being homeless and thus entitled to no basic rights.
    A large brightly colored star worn on the lapel of their coat ,for instance.
    Then round up all the worthless homeless leaches of society and ship them by the box car loads to the work “camps” where they can work off their “debt to society”.
    You can refer to this as the “Work Will Make Them Free” program.

    • Beau O’Connell

      Good idea….then, we can build large chambers where we can pack them in and fill the chamber with some sort of poisonous gas. After that, we can use their skin to make lamp-shades and book covers. Brilliant! Wonder why no one has thought of this before?

  • Lloyd Ingram

    Satan, is that you?

  • Patrick Fallon

    no guns no blankets no head scarves what part of the world is Florida in those sickos

  • http://people.ign.com/friendlyfireisnt Rusty Shackelford

    I agree. I think the homeless should be outlawed. We can put them in railway box cars and ship them cross country to some sort of work camps, where the homeless can work for a living!

    • Beau O’Connell

      Good idea….then, we can build large chambers where we can pack them in
      and fill the chamber with some sort of poisonous gas. After that, we
      can use their skin to make lamp-shades and book covers. Brilliant!
      Wonder why no one has thought of this before? It just makes good business sense.

  • Shady Liz

    Hand out snuggies to every person out there. It’s not a blanket. It’s a garment. Take that you jerks!

  • Scott Daylor

    Its typical that the people in charge ignore what the majority of the people want. If the people down there had any sort of courage they would remove the idiots putting this stuff in place by force.

  • Mathieu Hubin

    If I were a police officer there, I would not enforce that ordinance. I would tell city council where they can stick it.

  • ArcanVmXII

    The slow fade of freedom continues.

  • Michael Rowe

    Please, God, tell me this is satire….

  • Penni Price-Lindsey

    Make a poncho out of the blanket…that’s clothing!

  • Julie Dooley

    I guess if your homeless & cold & need a warm place to stay for the night, cover up with a blanket. Then they’ll arrest you, take you to jail, give you a warm place to sleep and a free meal! Their forcing you to take them up on that offer!

  • sleeplessinva

    Would snuggies be considered a type of blanket? What about the burqas that some muslim american women choose to wear that covers up everything?

    would be interesting to see the full text of the law…

  • rickdeez

    Next up throw a blanket on someone and make a citizens arrest.

  • Midnight Moses

    is this ordinance only for Pensacola? I can only infer that it is for P’cola as it is the city mentioned as the writers’ (Father Monk) hometown. No specific city was mentioned in the article and i’m concerned that this law may be more widespread…

  • Ludwing Harrison Morales

    this is angers me .. there are millions of illegal immigrants on welfare and living tax free and this is how we treat our own?

  • basspig

    They should just end property taxes. Being homeless after a tax auction .. The American dream?

  • Herbert Roberson

    Matthew
    25:40-45 “And the King will answer them, ‘I assure you: Whatever you
    did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
    Then He will also say to those on the left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are
    cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels!
    For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty and you
    gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger and you didn’t take Me in; I
    was naked and you didn’t clothe Me, sick and in prison and you didn’t
    take care of Me.’ “Then they too will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You
    hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or without clothes, or sick, or in
    prison, and not help You?’ “Then He will answer them, ‘I assure you:
    Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do
    for Me either.’

    • http://gathman.org/vitae CustomDesigned

      Notice He said, “*you* gave Me nothing to eat.” It doesn’t count when you threaten other people to make *them* give the least of His brethren something to eat.

      • Beau O’Connell

        Hey, guy, the article is not about the taxation cost of helping people, it’s about arresting them for using a friggin blanket! UHHHHH……it probably cost a thousand times more to arrest and keep them in jail than to just leave them alone….DONTCHA THINK?!?!?! How about getting over your poor self paying taxes, and consider the issue at hand?

  • Kristin Miller-Loggins

    and why are these people not being arrested for forced harm to others? Serious. Citizens need to start making citizen arrests against the public they have hired to do the job they were hired to do if they wont do it..if the public wont fire them, someone stand up and arrest them.

  • http://diegueno.tumblr.com/ diegueno

    The author didn’t even name the city that the ordinance was passed or the person who authored it or introduced it. #fail

    • http://people.ign.com/friendlyfireisnt Rusty Shackelford

      Pensacola, Florida

      • http://diegueno.tumblr.com/ diegueno

        Kindly note the difference between asking which municipality passed this law? and a statement of fact.
        In another comment, I went in to great detail about the problems with Mr. Petersen’s post. As I reply to your comment, the moderator of this comment board has yet to approve it so you can see how many problems there are with this story.

  • CzChick23

    Where is ACLU when you need them?

  • Gene Reed

    I’ve always said tyranny begins at city hall.

  • Vashra Araeshkigal

    So…it’s time to read your city charter and find out the procedure to immediately toss your city council, rather than wait for the next election….

  • Dean L Adams

    People who complain about homeless ppl everywhere should give these ppl jobs so they can afford homes…cause ppl need to realize it could easily be them…as the bible says to much is given much is expected..

  • Shawn Swift

    Someone should go around handing out ponchos to these homeless people. Then they can collect a few thousand from the city when they’re unlawfully arrested for having a “blanket”.

  • Steve

    By using a blanket they get arrested then their in a covered building. Mission accomplished. Out of the elements for the night.

  • Charlie

    Hmmmmmmmm! Freeze to death or go to jail where I get free medical care, three meals a day, and a bed. Hmm! I think I’d go to jail. No pass go. No collect 200$.

  • Ian Dean

    “This was part of a series of ordinances which prohibited using public
    restrooms for washing your face, panhandling, and “camping”. Though the
    mayor’s office and members of the city council tried to say that these
    ordinances were not targeted at the homeless.”

    Who were they targeted at then? And more importantly, why even have them if they were not targeted at the homeless?

    No person with an apartment or house is going to regularly wash their face in a public bathroom. No person with a job is going to panhandle. No one who has a place to go is going to “camp” in a public space. And even if someone who has a home and a job DOES decide to do these things, the percentage is so low I would think the numbers are not even recorded as a complaint.

    So, with that knowledge… what is this ordinance for? Who or What is it targeted at? What purpose does this ordinance serve?

    This is called a lie, and this lie is so bold faced I am dumbstruck they even bothered to lie at all.

  • Tina Ferguson-Davis

    So in other words they made a ‘blanket’ law to ‘cover’ everything from newspapers over someone’s head in the rain, to wrapping your child up during a picnic. Yup, that makes sense and will create NO problems in the long run. Would not want that type of blight in my city either. Buy an umbrella and make sure your child has a jacket.
    Now I would say perhaps if everyone did this all at the same time in a form of solidarity, maybe, just maybe they (whoever they are) might see the stupidity in the law? AND I wonder how many homeless people might like a night in a jail cell with some type of food and bed instead of paper to keep the elements off of them?

    • Shawn Swift

      Cut a slit in the middle of the blanket. Now it’s a poncho.

      • Tina Ferguson-Davis

        Great idea!

  • Deborah Mitaros

    this is all designed to get people into the FEMA camps or kill the sick i am so glad i do not live in america !!!

    • rilke

      Right on. I wish I didn’t.

      • http://people.ign.com/friendlyfireisnt Rusty Shackelford

        And that’s ok, we love you anyways

    • Max Vincent

      Be quiet.

    • http://people.ign.com/friendlyfireisnt Rusty Shackelford

      We amerikans are glad you don’t either

  • Celeste Nash

    If they make it illegal and arrest the homeless then the homeless disappear and are taken to FEMA camps and no one notices their absence and they get to play guinea pig with them in the camps!

    • rilke

      Yep.

  • bowie1

    If I was homeless I might just use a blanket so I could get arrested and put into a nice warm jail cell, albeit not a cushy hotel room.

  • Jerry Ross

    ever hear of a recall petition if they have it use it

  • Tim Koupe

    Reminds me of Obamacare…how do you solve the problem of poor people without insurance? Make it illegal! Err..tax them for not having it..I meant.

    I know, I know, not quite like that, but still about as inventive. Just make being poor illegal and problem solved!

  • wildmother

    Fashion models should start wearing blankets to make a statement.

  • Kathy Reddy Woerner

    I’m torn on this…I don’t believe they whould be arrested for trying to stay warm, but if they are arrested, at least they have a warm bed to sleep in.

  • Greg Burton

    Well, it was either…

    *Prosecute the bankers for the toxic mortgage/LIBOR scams that impoverished the world, making homeless, hungry, beggars out of all of us.
    *Stop the Fed from fanning hyper-inflation (QE1, QE2, QE3, QE∞) that will result in food riots, mass starvation.
    *Stop the looting, privatization of the world’s social safety net, public space, the commons, imposed “austerity” due to the toxic mortgage/LIBOR/Social Security rip-off scams.
    *Punish the banking cartel’s multi-billion dollar drug-money laundering operations.
    *Investigate and punish the Bush-CIA-mafia S&L pillage.
    *Investigate why jobs and manufacturing are being out-sourced to China, how China came to own most US debt that financed the US war against…China, why China (the oligarchy) is buying up US assets at fire sale prices, even as the US is threatening war against China as it threatens the US economy (national security).
    *Investigate why the US government won’t move heaven and earth to stop the radiation spewing from Fukushima, poisoning the US, the northern hemisphere, and investigate the connections between the Fukushima, Stuxnet, HAARP and nuke created earthquakes.
    *Investigate who was really behind 9/11, the false-flag terrorist attack that touched off the serial, never-ending wars of pillage against the nation-states of the world, creating the pretext for the massive police state edifice now threatening the freedoms of everyone.

    OR…

    The US government…

    *Ends food stamps to the poor even though there are no jobs, no social safety net, which will result in the starvation of thousands of Americans.
    *Stands by while the unprosecuted banking and economic crisis destroys the ability of cities and towns to protect their own citizens, fund their police departments.
    *Confiscates the guns.
    *DHS buys billions bullets, while giving away “tanks” to US cities and towns.
    *Flys soon to be weaponized drones over everywhere.
    *Allows Israel, a foreign country to run US NSA spying out of Mormon (Freemason/occult) Utah.
    *Pre-positions military hardware in preparation for the coming US melt-down and chaos (COG).
    *Makes being elderly, homeless, jobless, disabled veteran, and hungry a crime (useless eaters).
    *Buys thousands of “FEMA coffins” in anticipation of US mass starvation.

  • Mark Bigger

    this treatment of the homeless and poor is subhuman, may God hqave mercy on the souls who take away blankets and basic rights of people trying to merely survive

    • rilke

      It’s primarily your government doing this in your name.

      • Mark Bigger

        not in my name as I did not vote for these certain elected officials, if I did – I would be raising all sorts of heck

        • ♛ tara glenn

          So only voters can raise heck? Regardless of whether you voted or not, those people still represent you.

          • Mark Bigger

            Tara, you have a great point but most representatives and a lot of senators only listen to those in their districts. If they would listen, then yes everyone has the right to raise heck

            • ♛ tara glenn

              Also very true. I’ve taken a liking to tweeting at them. They may not read it, but it sure does make me feel better and reminds them that people all over the country are watching.

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              Everyone has a right to call these bastards out for what they’re doing to the needy. I don’t live in Floriduh, but I have the right to call them on the telephone and courteously tell them I disagree with their brutality.

        • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

          If you voted at all, you agreed to be ruled by the winners.

  • Jock Doubleday

    A law (statute) can be made about anything. They could make a law tomorrow saying that all women must have their middle toes cut off.

    But no statute has any force of law unless it is in alignment with common law. Common law is different from statutory law. It is the law of tradition, the law of the land. Statutory law is anything the bankers’ politician-puppets come up with on a whim.

  • David Mecey

    There is no solution in politics or petition. The solution is in the court, Someone need to receive a damage from the ordnance be it arrest or fine and appeal it. That simple. Don’t fall for the old trick of some attorney taking the fight up himself, it will be dismissed because he has no standing/damage and then the city will say see the court upheld it. Oldest trick in the book.

    • rilke

      Precedent. See above.

  • rilke

    The city is already in violation of federal law, because the federal court Pottinger decision (settlement on the qt) from I think the mid-’90s, against Miami said that homeless people could perform needed functions such as eating, sleeping, washing and so on, in public. In fact, the homeless who’d already been arrested for loitering, sleeping in public, etc., got I think it was $1,500 for each arrest. And the city had to set aside a couple of parks where homeless could camp. The homeless people involved in this dispute need to look up this decision (which I always have a copy of close at hand in case I ever become homeless again) and get a lawyer, if possible.

    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

      Post a link to the downloadable decision?

      • rilke

        Don’t have it offhand, though I’ll take a look, but it should be searchable in Florida federal court with “Pottinger.”

        • rilke

          Be sure to get that federal decision in hand tomorrow, because Florida law is what the federal court says it is, and it’s on your side big time. I have some legal expertise, and if I were there I would help you file a motion. That’s all you need to do, and if you are poor and/or homeless, you can do it for free. Let me know what happens.

          • rilke

            The reason no one seems to know about this decision is because they do it hush hush and the news doesn’t get out. But it’s there, believe me. When I was in Key West homeless because I got screwed by the newspaper a group of us was about to file for our rights there based on Pottinger, and we had a lawyer helping us, but he got bought off with a better job.

        • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

          40 F.3d 1155, Michael POTTINGER, Peter Carter, Berry Young, Plaintiffs-Appellees, v. CITY OF MIAMI, Defendant-Appellant.,
          Nos. 91-5316, 92-5145.
          United States Court of Appeals,
          Eleventh Circuit.
          Dec. 7, 1994.
          REMANDED

          • rilke

            It may have been remanded somewhere along the line, but the final “decision” was the settlement. Are you able to get a copy?

          • rilke

            That’s the case. I don’t know the whole etymology of how the final settlement was reached, but apparently then the Appeals Court agreed with the District Court. Let me know if you need a copy of what I’ve got, because I’ll just bet the decision is really hard to get one’s hands on, though any lawyer should be able to get it with no problem. But who knows? This is why they settle behind the public scene, so know one knows their rights — that the federal court said that Miami had violated the civil rights of the homeless.

          • rilke

            Did you get the decision?

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              No.

              But truthfully, the happiest sight I ever saw was Floriduh in my rear view mirror (born & raised in S. Miami/Coconut Grove).

              Good luck with your fight.

      • rilke

        Can’t find it on the court’s site, maybe because I’m not in state, but it would be in the southern district U.S. District Court in Miami; phone to the clerk’s office where they will look it up is 3055235100. Good luck. I do have a copy if all else fails.

  • Axaiver

    SOunds like to put up a measure to protect those from the ordinance

  • racknstack

    I think that the public there at large should all go out with a blanket, cover themselves, and sit on the ground in protest.

  • racknstack

    Why don’t we just shoot them, then? Round them up like they’re doing in Sochi with the stray dogs. That’ll teach ‘em to be homeless.

  • Elixir

    Judges wear blankets everyday!!!!

    • rilke

      And take bribes, truth be known.

  • Susan Littleton

    Since the city population is against it, the best way to handle is for every single person, children, dogs, everybody, to wear a blanket over their shoulders everywhere they go.

    • NickyyyNostalgia

      Brilliant!

    • janet444

      That’s what I was thinking. Everyone who is upset about this should break these silly laws! It would be great if a thousand people or more were out there covering themselves with blankets, newspapers and cardboard boxes!

    • Jim Pooley

      An organised campaign of bathing in public bathrooms while you’re at it.

      What a pointless and unenforceable law.

      • Patricia Sheck-Teller

        Sadly, it IS enforceable. The enforcing of this law will be used on the most vulnerable of people. I don’t think that there is any real threat against wives and children covering up at a picnic or festival. No- this ordinance is aimed specifically at the homeless who “ugly up” the streets, giving the town a bad rap. Homeless people are the most visible sign that a city has problems. People start asking why there are so many homeless, and what can be done to help them, and then the city would have to spend money on fixing the problem. Instead they would rather hide it.

        • wb7ptr

          In these kinds of cases, the city IS the problem …

          • kurtsteinbach

            No, this is a couple of people in the city, who are in love with power and want to use it to bully the homeless with. This is nothing but legalized bullying….

            • wb7ptr

              That doesn’t surprise me a bit. Especially in Florida. Whatever it is, there is NO excuse to bully … homeless or anyone else. It’s really sad.

          • Flybob

            No the GOVERNMENT is the problem! ALL OF IT!

            • Michael MacDonald

              And what do you propose to replace the GOVERNMENT with? Corporations that have free reign to do this without having to hide behind GOVERNMENT at all? The GOVERNMENT is a pretense here, but on whose behalf is it pretending? Do you want to give those people more power, or less?

              • Reverend Draco

                When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?

                Answer that, and you have the answer to your first question.

                Without government, corporations don’t have free reign to “do this” or even to exist. Take away government, and you take away the corporate “right” to despoil and defraud.

                • Michael MacDonald

                  So, your answer is to replace the government with corporations. Corporations that will somehow magically know that they should be nice to people. Like all corporations do naturally. This is because competition. Competition naturally makes corporations nice to people. I think I get it now. Omg, it makes total sense! Wow. I had never thought of it like that. >.<

                  • Reverend Draco

                    Learn to read, Sparkles. Please? Or – at the very least – learn to comprehend what it is that you were barely able to read. Sheesh.

                    When you put out a fire. . . you don’t replace it with another fire. . . you extinguish it. Done and done.

                    It isn’t possible to replace government with something that can only exist because of government. Without government, there are no corporations; Ergo, corporations cannot replace government.

                    Capisce?

                    And yes, unbridled competition does make businesses nice to people – or the people vote with their wallets and take their money to a company which is nice to them. . . without government, there is nobody to socialize the losses or bail out the “not nice” businesses – they simply go bankrupt and fade away. . .
                    Something tells me you’ve never really had a thought of your own, at all.

                    • Michael MacDonald

                      Oh, gee, I guess you told me. That just completely refuted my argument. I always thought that people bought what was cheap and convenient. Silly me…

                    • LeslieFish

                      People don’t buy what’s cheap and convenient if they know it’s toxic — either directly or indirectly. You simply have to spread the word.

                    • Michael MacDonald

                      Sure, spread the word through media outlets that have been bought and paid for by the same people who are spreading the toxins. That makes sense.

                    • LeslieFish

                      No, spread the word through the internet and the eternal Grapevine. I don’t think anyone here believes in the mainstream media.

                    • Michael MacDonald

                      Ok, so, no government, no corporations. There has to be, at least, an underlying principle for how society will function after that is accomplished. This isn’t what the Libertarian party in the US stands for, so you are supporting some form of anarchy. No problem, I lean towards anarcho-syndicalism. How do you propose to manage society and trade after the dissolution of government?

                    • LeslieFish

                      “…effeminate”? Careful, buddy. The day is past when “female” automatically meant “weak”.

                    • Michael MacDonald

                      Ok, no corporations, but large businesses. You’re splitting hairs. Essentially Monarchies were simply large corporations(businesses) that evolved naturally from Anarchy. This is what unbridled competition creates. Nice to customers is far different than being nice to the workers that are slaving under them.

                    • LeslieFish

                      Monarchies did not evolve naturally from Anarchy; they evolved by conquest. A street-gang is a monarchy. So is a drug-cartel. When it comes down to simple violence, the simple answer is to fight back.

                      Also, as “History hath shewn”, companies that aren’t so nice to the workers slaving under them naturally evolve labor unions. Don’t kid yourself; the old “labor wars” were real shooting wars, as many an old folksong can tell you, if the media won’t. Companies that aren’t so nice to their customers naturally evolve consumers’ unions, too. Freedom to assemble to seek redress of grievances cover a wide range of assemblies.

                  • ZosimaID

                    Government is a corporation. Just are corporations are a fiction to describe the collective actions of individuals, so to are governments. The individuals making up government are no more or less virtuous or vicious that those making up corporations. Funny that you should defend government in your comment on an article about the abuse of government.

                    • Michael MacDonald

                      I’m not defending the government. I’m asking, quite plainly, what you want to replace it with! Honestly, Florida is a hell hole. It needs to be restructured from the ground up. Great place to be a tourist, but do not live there! Tear it down and rebuild it. But if your answer is anarcho-capitalism, then you’re wasting your time. Florida is already there, for the most part.

                    • LeslieFish

                      On the contrary: Florida has as much govt. as corporations, so anarcho-capitalist it isn’t.

                  • suki

                    The answer is they have the wrong people in these government positions. These idiots are heartless creatures that derive pleasure from their power hungry positions. Get rid of them!

                  • LeslieFish

                    Corporations — and monopolies — can’t exist without govts. to protect them. Who but the govt. says that a corporation is a “person”?

                    • Michael MacDonald

                      Ahh, that’s where you’re wrong. A monarchy is simply a government and a monopoly combined. Monopolies don’t need governments to protect them. Governments are required to limit them. This is the power of a Democracy. Limiting the powers of things like corporations, businesses, and anything else that may try to infringe on the rights of individuals through popular vote.

                    • Drake_Burrwood

                      They exist so you can sue them and not every share holder seperately.

              • SickOf BeingCoddled

                No Michael– replace it with YOU and ME and GOOD Honest- humble- people. all of us on here have to STAND UP NOW!! God is with those who have righteousness in their core and live it!!

                • Michael MacDonald

                  Well, last I checked the government wasn’t run by robots. Mostly people. As far as good and honest goes, that tends to be subjective. In your case, it sounds more like you want more people that think like you do in the government. Me, personally, I don’t believe in God, so, there’s nothing there to be ‘with’ me, and that’s fine by me. It’s a bit creepy to think about, tbh, some giant invisible guy peeking over my shoulder. That said, we may disagree on what laws should be made or not made, as there is a lot of religious nonsense on the books already that I would like to see torn off, let alone adding more :/. Also, I don’t agree with the whole anti regulation and healthcare movement. I think healthcare should be freely available to everyone, and like hell would I want to visit in a USA that didn’t have an FDA or EPA. Most of your businessmen don’t have any qualms about killing people to make a buck, and that’s just giving them free license.

        • EyingTheLies

          The law is bad, selective enforcement is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE, so yes ordinary citizens should participate in civil disobedience, it will make it way harder to target the most vulnerable.

          • Patricia Sheck-Teller

            I absolutely agree with you.

        • Mario Lawrence

          Enforceable? Technically.
          But I wouldn’t put that high a level of stupidity on police officers. A reasonable officer won’t waste his time enforcing that. Having lived in the Tri-county area of south Florida for 16 years, I can say I haven’t really seen the police disturb the homeless much. It really depends on what the homeless are doing. They usually only approach the homeless if they catch them panhandling.
          So enforceable? Yes. Will it be? Doubt it.
          Doesn’t mean it’s not a bad ordinance. Needs to get removed. The “silent majority” supporting the ordinance is the minority of douchebags that are totally disconnected from, and have zero empathy for, poor and homeless people. They are so damn rich and perfect, they can’t even identify with other humans anymore.

          • spiritanimals

            “But I wouldn’t put that high a level of stupidity on police officers. A reasonable officer won’t waste his time enforcing that.”

            I know it wasn’t your intention, but this is the funniest thing I’ve read all day.

          • Patricia Sheck-Teller

            I hope not, Mario. I just feel like this ordinance may not be enforced simply on the basis of the blankets alone- It will be used as a way to harass them further. Police see someone trying to stay warm with a blanket? Well, now they have a reason to find out who he or she is, run their name, maybe search their pockets, violating them further. I don’t get my name ran and my backpack searched while sitting under a blanket in my living room. Therefore, this ordinance is further criminalizing the state of being homeless alone. Why should wrapping up in a blanket become another reason for these unfortunate people to be targeted, and their dignity to be further stolen? It makes me so sad. As a former homeless woman, I have lived this hell, and you are right- these “silent majority” ARE actually a completely disconnected minority. I am so lucky to HAVE a living room- I count my lucky stars each day. I will never forget where I came from…
            …and this ordinance is bullsht.

        • Michael MacDonald

          If you’ve ever lived in Floriida, this sort of thing is pretty normal. It does get enforced, and the people are slowly convinced that it is the right thing or they should give up. People who fight it are looked at as odd, fringe, or extremists.

        • Eddie

          well, I don’t like this law in the least, but I must say, a warm jail cell with guaranteed food that the city has to pay for would definitely beat sleeping in the cold and wet risking infections. I hate that these uppety lawmakers think they are controlling the problem by making it worse, and one day, maybe one day, Karma will make something happen to them that they will feel the effects of their own stupidity!

    • Ben Tv Howman

      I love this idea Susan :)

    • Drake_Burrwood

      How about wearing a poncho, folded news paper hat, and a cardboard codpiece.
      I’d like to see them confiscated. Due to their illegal use.

      • Difdi

        Bonus points if you weren’t wearing anything underneath.

      • wb7ptr

        Occupy Homelessness :)

      • LeslieFish

        Hey, let’s make full-circle cloaks fashionable again! With a long stick (quarterstaff) you can make a small tent out of a full-circle cloak.

    • Patricia Mullins Laconte

      Lets not forget to all wash our faces in the public restrooms….

    • Robert Crim

      “Since the city population is against it, the best way to handle is for every single person, children, dogs, everybody, to wear a blanket over their shoulders,” show up at their next meeting and DEMAND they remove the law from the books.

      • Eileen Kuch

        Laws of that nature are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Challenge this retarded law in the courts and have it thrown out.

        • wb7ptr

          Yeah they are … think the term is “bill of attainer” or something similar. Basically, it’s a law that says it’s illegal to BE something (such as homeless, Black, Jewish, a woman, etc.) as opposed to a law saying it’s illegal to DO something such as steal or murder. The constitutions specifically outlaws such laws. I hope one of the people being bullied by the law and his or her attorney put up one hell of a fight all the way to the Supreme Court.

          • Eileen Kuch

            I feel certain there will be a fight against this illegal piece of s**t. Whoever brought this up, passed it, and signed it are either mentally challenged or evil. I’d say evil; and, in this case, throw them all out of office and parade them before the public with signs around their necks, identifying them as evil sociopaths who hate poor and homeless people.

          • MJ Swe

            wb7ptr, are you thinking? How many homeless people do you know that have a lawyer or can afford one? I’m sure the homeless are the people the cops would least worry about complaining.

            • wb7ptr

              MJ. of course I’m thinking. I never said the homeless could AFFORD an attorney, but there are many lawyers out there just as appauled by this as we are and one of them will likely help in this case, and also there are groups who provide free legal assistance to those who cannot afford an attorney. You are quite right that the homeless are the one the cops worry the LEAST about complaining… no argument there but I will debate the attorney issue. Many good hearted people who possess a Doctorate of Jurisprudence can and will help those who cannot afford attorneys. Were these people not out there folks like the homeless trying to keep warm would indeed be in greater peril, as is a nation who turns its back on those most in need.

    • https://twitter.com/EarthBndMssfit XxEarthBoundMissfitxX

      I guess the mayor didn’t like your comment. LOL

    • RY33

      There’s another way to deal with it. VOTE THE MOTHERFUCKERS OUT OF OFFICE! Forget voting party lines. Vote for the other guy. You don’t have to get everyone to do it. In city elections a few hundred votes can tip an election.

      • suki

        This is what I say! Gotta get rid of the idiots in Government office or nothing changes.

        • LeslieFish

          Hell, vote Libertarian Party! Enough LP votes would scare the Big Two enough that they might start actually *listening* to the citizens.

  • http://www.clichegames.com Anthony

    I hope the police in the area refuse to enforce this law.

    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

      Only the “good cops” will. Unfortunately there are no good cops.

      • rilke

        For sure.

  • Chris Cade

    Wow I am sickened by even the thought of a man, woman, or child being arrested in this country for the simple act of covering themselves. The people of this country have fallen into a deep slumber and for some reason refuse to awaken. Our rights are slowly being stripped away and most don’t even know it. our 2nd amendment right to bare arms is being taken little by little, our 1st amendment right, freedom of speech has been under attack forever and now we cannot even protect our selves from mother nature. People wake up. You say “if it does not affect me or mines I ain’t getting involved”, but what you fail to realize is these things affect us all either directly or indirectly. And one day it will be to late

  • Jeremiah Ellison

    If it’s applicable to any person using a blanket or newspaper to cover themselves in public, then that includes the mayor and city council, right?

    If any good officer sees any of them covering their head with a newspaper in the rain, please remind them of the law and arrest them.

    Leaders should lead with integrity. Taking special privileges to exempt yourself from the laws you demand the public observe makes you a scoundrel, not a leader.

  • Susan Littleton

    Let’s see. They’re rounded up, corralled in certain areas, trapped, unable to go anywhere else. I would call it concentration camp genocide.

  • leslie green

    Hey! But there are the FEMA camps, we can send them there! Keep them locked up and force them to do labor… GREAT IDEA! Maybe even give them a blanket if they’re good comrades.

  • DILLIGAF

    Better of in jail at that level…a cot and 3 meals. Let the taxpayers foot the bill. I don’t believe they were going anywhere special anyhow. Oh ya…a TV room also.

  • Bar Becue

    As much money as this country wastes on bullshit, not to mention the monies that’ve been stolen by corrupt officials (both in the public and private sectors) to pass a garbage ass law like this instead of really addressing this problem,is an an abomination with a stench that has reached the nostrils of God Almighty Himself.

  • Debbie Ward

    To me, this is despicable!!! I find it hard to believe I live in a Country that does this to human beings. Being treated worse than an animal. No ones knows the situation of a homeless person except the homeless person. It does happen from no fault of their own in some circumstances. I see it and hear about it everyday. My husband is the veterans services officer for our County, fighting everyday for our vets….for housing, widows death benefits, their promised benefits like healthcare and pensions they earned and contractually I might add….and yes the homeless ones as well trying to find them shelter. Our Govt from the top down has NO regard for people whatsoever and it is getting worse. I know an 89 year old woman who has been very ill for 2 weeks, has a serious infection and the hospital won’t take her. Apparently she does not meet the criteria. I thought sick was the criteria !! Our County hospital treats Veterans…..or anybody for that matter ( I know from personal experience) with disdain. It comes down to, if you don’t stay there with your loved one and demand treatment, they ignore them. We are all in serious do do with where our country has gone and it is going to get worse I am afraid.

  • Ann

    In Utah they have a positive campaign to put the homeless into empty apartments and attach a key worker to help them maintain themselves… it saves a lot of money on arrests, jail time, legal aid, emergency hospital admissions, provision of night shelters… Tell your mayor its a human RIGHT to have shelter, warmth and hood…there should be no conditions attached.

    • http://gathman.org/vitae CustomDesigned

      I like the program you describe, but shelter, warmth, food are not RIGHTs. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (i.e. doing the work of providing shelter, warmth, and food and more) are inalienable rights. The Florida law violates the right to the pursuit of happiness – i.e. procuring and using a blanket ($3 at Walmart) to keep warm. Voluntarily offering empty apartments for the homeless is wonderful. But when the state starts stealing from others to provide shelter, warmth, and food, that is a violation of the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

      • Justsomeguy151

        Its a slippery slope between being a good samaritan and being communist. Banks have stolen all the money they have. As in every penny. So those houses they have sitting empty are in fact stolen and should be used to help that have been screwed by the Banks which is all of us.

        • JMWinPR

          Please tell me of one bank that has stolen a home. Well maybe you have something with the Goldman Sachs bank. But even so a contract was signed, with caveats. Like you don’t pay, you lose the house. There are some organizations with the policy of you don’t pay, we send you to jail, and others who will break your children’s legs,

          • CowtownBassGirl

            Ask some of the veterans who’s homes were illegally foreclosed in spite of a federal ban on such practices. Ask the homeowners about robo-signing when the banks couldn’t back up their claims with valid documentation. Read the findings that lead to the 13 billion JP Morgan fine. Ask my brother about the 2+ years he spent trying to refinance his mortgage through with BOA. You may find you answer,

            • JMWinPR

              Sorry about your woes, I lost one also. Wanna blame someone? Carter, Clinton, Frank and Dodd are good places to start. As for JP Morgan, I suggest you read further, that was a scam of epic proportions. Even worse than going after BP for the Deepwater Horizon spill. ” At the time, 126 crew members were on board: seven BP employees, 79 of Transocean and employees of various other companies.”
              Oh, and who got the 13 billion, anyone who lost a home?

            • Jugatsu

              Ewwwww, Bank of America, 100% insidious. Don’t *anyone* bank or use the credit cards or other services of Bank of America. If you already do business with them, then stop, today. I still have one of their cards but am cancelling today, with a 0 balance. Avoid like the plague any institution with the name of Rothschild, or Morgan, Rockefeller, Warburg, Carnegie, Harriman, Schiff and/or others associated with it.

          • Justsomeguy151

            I already did “as in all of them”. Promissory note – “A promissory note is a legal instrument (more particularly, a financial instrument), in which one party (the maker or issuer) promises in writing to pay a determinate sum of money to the other (the payee),
            either at a fixed or determinable future time or on demand of the
            payee, under specific terms. If the promissory note is unconditional and
            readily salable, it is called a negotiable instrument.”. I paid off my house w/ one when those criminals were going to steal my house. It stopped them. Think about it, they convert the note to a stock and sell them. That’s why people will have to pay different mortgage companies over the course of their mortgage. Its a well kept secret and a HUGE FRAUD. Banks are double dipping. Then if you ‘default”, they steal your house back and DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. America is long overdue for a revolution. A promissory note is legal tender. There’s so much more to the fraud but that’s enough to get you started if you really want to learn about it.

            • JMWinPR

              It is not a well kept secret, it is in your contract. When I was buying houses (3) I dealt with regional or local banks, they no longer exist, and specifically asked for a non-salable contract. You usually must pay an additional charge, one was .75% higher, I don’t remember the others. How is the bank “double dipping”? They performed a credit check wrote the contract and decided they could make more money elsewhere and sold your mortgage. The “scheme” failed when the economy tanked and people who had no business ever buying a home bailed out. Those same people drove up the prices causing legitimate buyers to overpay for homes. These folks are the ones that got burned, their homes were artificially priced/sold for far more than they were worth. The banks (with the exception of GS) did not win. Most banks are stuck with homes, that are not worth the money owed on them. The banks did get bailed out, GS had/has a great scam on this account. The losers as always are the middle class, there has been a war against us for the past 60 years or so. Both parties are complicit, but one is far more to blame than the others.

              • Justsomeguy151

                I’ve never heard about non salable contracts but I will research them. As for this ” The “scheme” failed when the economy tanked and people who had no business ever buying a home bailed out.” , it is not the whole story and pretty much wrong. A promissory note is legal tender and there is a way to lay claim on the property w/out ever paying another penny on yr mortgage but that exists for only 14-21 days after the closing. You don’t know about it and they sure as heck won’t tell you about it. Your house is paid for. They wait for that to expire now they can do what they want. That’s called fraud. Unless every detail in a contract is divulged, it is invalid. Also, when these criminals sell your note, it becomes a stock, meaning the note is gone. It can never ever be a note. Kind of like when you squeeze the orange juice from an orange, it can ever return back to its original form. When these criminals foreclose on a property it is theft. Another thing, there is supposed to be consideration but the bank has no skin in the game. Your signature is what creates the money, you are never ever loaned any money. They use your credit to create the money. It is created on a computer somewhere. Its all a huge fraud and it is well hidden. If it wasn’t everyone would know about it.

                • JMWinPR

                  I’m not following your reasoning. When you sign a mortgage note, you are promising to pay a set amount of money at a set (fixed rate only) (ARM’s are set on an annual basis) for a fixed number of payments. It makes little difference who or what you pay, only that you must pay it. (I went only to lending institutions who didn’t sell the notes). If you fail to pay it for a period of time, you will forfeit the property. The institution is supposed to sell said property to cover their losses only. They do not return any “excess” profits to the former homeowner.
                  As for “A promissory note is legal tender and there is a way to lay claim on the
                  property w/out ever paying another penny on yr mortgage but that exists
                  for only 14-21 days after the closing.” that sounds suspiciously like theft on the part of the buyer. Why doesn’t your closing attorney point this out? The simple thing is you chose this home and agreed to a price. The bank examines the property and your credit rating, if the the two come together, you get a loan. As long as you make the payments, they do not “steal” your home. They also recommend you purchase disability and life insurance to cover instances where you are unable to work. There is no such thing as “I’m tired of making payments” or ” buyers remorse” insurance”

                  • Justsomeguy151

                    Its not my reasoning, its the truth. Yes, what you described is what people believe to be true but the reality is far different. And its not the buyer who is a thief. After all, they’ve been lied to and end up paying 3-4 times what the home is worth. How does that make them the thief? Also, almost no one knows about that little loophole. Many mortgages are 40 pages filled w/ so much legalese that people don’t read them. They contain a clause saying “if we need your signature, by signing here, you give the bank permission to sign documents for you”. Why wouldn’t they just send you the docs to sign? Because this is part of the scam. This allows them to sign the docs that give you your house free and clear in your stead, and they then convert the note to a stock where they make millions per home. This is usury and unethical. Remember, you are never given any consideration which they are required to do. You are never lent any money, your signature creates the money. Its a huge fraud. Then the bank steals it back if you default but any contract that doesn’t divulge the full details is on the face of it, invalid. The housing bubble was created by thieves/banks creating money out of thin air. They never lent out a single penny. The most powerful criminals in the world are part of this scam and they will murder to continue it. Research the Credit River Decision.

                    • JMWinPR

                      Still can’t follow your reasoning that leads to charges of usury. When you accept the loan, you agree to a set amount of interest, (mind you not an ARM), you agree to pay this interest plus the amount of the loan over a specific period of times. As for usury it is less than 15% even during the Carter years. As for creating money, no they are not, they are trading dollars for the deed to your property. You and the buyer set the price, not the bank, the bank only confirmed the house was worth that amount, just because you made a mistake, does not reflect on the bank. Yes, the banking industry does have problems, this is not one of them. The main issue I have with banks is they must “guarantee” certain accounts, regardless of the banks mismanagement of funds and backed up by the full force of the IRS

                    • Justsomeguy151

                      Again, its not MY reasoning. Its the way it is. First, do you agree that any contract that doesn’t divulge everything, is on the face of it, invalid?

                      Forget the rate, are you paying up to 3-4 times what the house is worth?
                      Are you ever given any money? Why can’t they show on the books where money was removed from account A and placed in Account B?
                      The only mistake the buyer makes is being suckered by Bankster criminals and not reading the fine print, because they’re trusting that he/she is dealing w/ honorable people.
                      If this wasn’t a problem, many people wouldn’t have been robbed of their homes and the whole nation wouldn’t have been held hostage by these criminals in the form of a bailout/heist.
                      You sound like you blindly trust your govt along w/ the Banksters that own our govt. That’s why you don’t believe what I’m saying and won’t research it. Carry on.

                    • JMWinPR

                      Yes, to the contract, unlike Congress, I have read every word and had an attorney who explained the legalese. I have modified clause(s) which I didn’t approve. I have never paid 3 or 4 times what any thing is worth, well maybe the 2nd wife. When I sold the house, yes I was given the money. When I bought the house, the seller was given the money. I give most everyone the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong, and the government which first and foremost violated that trust, least of all.
                      You are making a lot of statements, but I still don’t follow why you are upset. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you got the loan, paid it off, and now own the home free and clear. You paid interest of some rate for a period of time.
                      Ever hear of the “Rule of 72″? It is formula that roughly determines at what rate your money will double. For example 6% interest for 12 years your money will double.
                      6X12=72 e.g. 8% for 9 years same thing 8X9=72.
                      It is a good discussion, hopefully we can meet on some common ground.

        • Michael Rowe

          It’s only a “slippery slope” if you’re an asshole.

          • Justsomeguy151

            That’s some compelling argument, douchebag.

      • Jodi Rives Meier

        You have failed Compassion 101 and will have to take it again next semester.

        • http://gathman.org/vitae CustomDesigned

          So voluntarily donating your own treasure to the homeless shows a lack of compassion, but stealing from others (making many of them homeless in the process) to help the homeless is True Compassion?

          I guess I can see the advantage – you exponentially increase the numbers of homeless and get to expand your Truly Compassionate program – and more True Compassion is good, right? I just wouldn’t call it compassion.

          • Toni Coughlin

            Paying your fair share in taxes for a prosperous, stable, safe society that you profit most from isn’t stealing. Now, lobbying for “tough on crime” legislation while you invest in for-profit prisons — THAT is stealing.

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              Oh, is that what we have? A prosperous, stable, safe society?
              No? Maybe Uncle Sugar needs to raise your taxes a little higher.

              (Though you’re correct about the “tough on crime” stuff. Government should legalize all peaceful behaviors, even the ones we may not 100% agree with.)

              • Toni Coughlin

                Yep that’s what we had. Until the 1970’s when wackos started deregulating and allowing the rich to buy turn politicians into actual uncle sugars who’d grant them infinite corporate welfare for a donations kickback :)

                • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                  Here’s the problem, Toni. You weren’t alive in the 70’s and so you only have the words of people with an agenda to teach you what happened economically in the 70’s and before. I OTOH was actually alive and aware back then.
                  You have been lied to, kid.

      • Jason Krasner

        Food and if it’s THAT cold,warmth are necessary to stay alive. Your argument is invalid.

      • Wayne_B

        Shelter, warmth and food ARE RIGHTS for without them there is no LIFE. It is unfortunate that logic isn’t more universal.

        • http://gathman.org/vitae CustomDesigned

          Shelter, warmth and food are “RIGHTs” for slaves, who depend on Massah to provide them because they have no liberty to pursue them on their own. Since the dawn of recorded history, the mark of a free man was the freedom to carry a weapon to defend his life. A slave was not allowed to carry a weapon except as a soldier. It’s unfortunate that reading the Declaration of Independence isn’t more universal.

          • Toni Coughlin

            No, they’re just rights. The “massah” already mandates that there be only one currency. The financial “massahs” have hoarded this one currency to the death of the middle class. With no middle class, there is no diverse set of demands and no money to fund supply. With no money to fund supply, there are no jobs. With no jobs, there are lots of homeless, hopeless people.

            So yeah, I’ll vote for their free housing because 1) it’s better than having people dying in the streets, 2) “massah” government is slightly more accountable and benevolent than “massah” plutocrat.

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              This is what women’s suffrage wrought.

              • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                But seriously, Toni Coughlin, are those the only two choices, Massa 1 and Massa 2?

        • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

          No, shelter, warmth and food are needs. You need them for survival. If you spend every dollar you get on other needs, like baby food and disposable diapers before you’re settled and ready to, you’ll come up short.
          This is universally known to 90% of the world.
          Does this look like a promise face?

      • vetch

        They discovered that it cost less to provide shelter for the homeless and set up this program than it was to shuffle the homeless between jail and other institutions. They’re saving money by being compassionate. Always worried about tax dollars that help the hungry and destitute, but never protesting that we give billions to Wall Street bankers and mega-billions to fun wars does not solve a single domestic problem this country faces.

      • Mark Bigger

        food is a God given right, survival is built into his plan

        • http://gathman.org/vitae CustomDesigned

          In other words, the World owes you a living.

          • Mark Bigger

            no one said the world owes anyone anything, are you against feeding and helping the poor? The world owes me nothing…….

            • http://gathman.org/vitae CustomDesigned

              You yourself just said that food, which is required to live, and requires labor to gather and/or cultivate, is a “right” – so that other people must be forced to spend their labor providing that food for you.

              I spend my own money on feeding and helping the poor – I am against having government take other peoples money under threat of death or imprisonment to feed and “help” the poor – especially since the government version is designed to create dependency on government, and does NOT help the poor.

      • CowtownBassGirl

        But what is Life without food or shelter or water? And it wasn’t “The State” stealing homes, tho they turned a blind eye to the antics of the Mega Banksters when they did.

      • Michael Rowe

        What a strange, sad little man you are, to consider that “shelter, warmth, food” aren’t included in “the pursuit of happiness.” I’m embarrassed for you, and dearly hope you don’t pretend to be any sort of Christian.

        • http://gathman.org/vitae CustomDesigned

          If you are out in the desert, and run out of food or water, who denied you your “right” to food and water? Of course, the “pursuit of happiness” includes the pursuit of “shelter, warmth, food” with your own labor – as I have already stated. It just doesn’t include forcibly conscripting others to provide your “shelter, warmth, food”. People of good will, like me, will contribute their own labor or treasure voluntarily and gladly. Statists enslave others to provide food, then use it to create more people dependent on the state to eat, and thereby increase their power over others.

          • Mark Bigger

            I agree, no one should be forced to assist others who are poor, homeless or starving. However we pay taxes and I would expect them to be used for the good of “We the People” instead of being foolishly wasted and foolishly sent to other countries for political or war uses. If we stopped sending money outside this country, we could easily help our own. I suppose by using these tax dollars to help the needy might be wrong to some. I for one would be happy if my tax dollars fed those who can not feed themselves. I would lso be willing to pay above and beyond taxes to help those who can’t help them selves yet try to, or did try

            • http://gathman.org/vitae CustomDesigned

              Your dollars might actually help the needy if you give them to a private homeless shelter, and not the government.

              • Mark Bigger

                I agree to a point, however if the needy were to rely soley upon good people to help them, it may not be enough. government assisted housing, food stamps, etc are necessary as well. have a great day and don’ forget to donate to you local food pantry or homeless shelter

      • Mark Bigger

        they may not be governmental or constitutional rights but they are God given rights. God has given us an instinct of survival.

    • Weston Moss

      Rights don’t cost money. Exercising your rights might. There’s a difference.

      That said, the ordinances in this article are far and away a bad thing.

    • Schlomo Weinberger

      In Israel we are constantly making new homeless all the time. In warm places I would not think this to be problem. There is no such thing as a ‘right’ to shelter, nor even to blankets. Wouldn’t it be sort of defeating the purpose to demolish their houses only to build new shelter for them somewhere else? Silly European aid only creates dependency.

      • ab7

        well no because we’re not all wankers who think it’s ok to bulldoze Palestinians into the ground

        • JMWinPR

          You bomb my children’s school bus, having your house bulldozed will be the least of your, your families, friends, neighbors, in fact anyone you’ve ever spoken to, problems

        • Mark Bigger

          I am all for bulldozing the Palestinians, we need to support Israel

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            I’m all for your right to support Israel. I personally don’t care one way or the other what people in Israepalestine do to each other. It’s none of my business. (Though I do love Israeli halvah.)

      • gininitaly

        a dependency they wouldn’t have had to deal with, if you had let them alone.

      • gabriel314

        Gotta be satire folks…

        • dinkster

          It is that rare form of satire that is so good it will go fully unappreciated on the net.

    • JMWinPR

      “Tell your mayor its a human RIGHT to have shelter, warmth and hood…there should be no conditions attached.” Really, exactly where is this “right” articulated other than the “Santa Clause” in the Constitution. However there is an obligation among Christians to provide that, and they seem to be doing just that.

    • Mark Bigger

      it is a shame that there are more empty dwellings than homeless

      • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

        That’s true. It is a shame. But *somebody* owns those dwellings. Who will write the insurance to cover the occupants if government sticks homeless folks in empty houses? Who will pay for it? And the electric and gas bills?
        Just having a dwelling is next to useless. Each dwelling must have running water and flushing toilets and refrigeration and stoves and cookware. And cutlery. And beds and sheets and towels and soap and a toilet brush. And what good is it to have a free house if you don’t have a car? You need a car to go look for work, and then to get to the job. And gas for the car.
        The list becomes endless.
        A little bit of socialism, like cancer, metastasizes if left untreated and is encouraged.

        • Beau O’Connell

          Absolute an extreme thinking is pointless and counter-productive. Had our country not expended untold billions, if not trillions of dollars on useless wars we could feed and shelter (and provide cars, retraining for work, clothing etc…) to all those who need it. Your arguments are one sided as you claim socialism is cancerous, but corporate welfare and funding wars is not even mentioned. It has been well established that all the money wasted in war and corporate welfare could easily solve these problems of homelessness, hunger and illiteracy. The focus is misguided in today’s world, and we are spiraling towards global economic collapse. Were we to reinvest in the people, bring them up to a higher level, all would prosper.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            I can’t disagree.
            But socialism doesn’t take into account human nature. And when we give a government enough power to tax the many, the few always become corrupted and we get wars and corporate welfare.
            But maybe this next time we try it we’ll get different results, right?

            • Beau O’Connell

              Actually, things have changed, and hopefully, with awareness, will continue to change. Not long ago, kings would collect taxes and the only benefits were supposed protection during attacks. Mostly, the commoners were attacked and abused by the very people who were suppose to be protecting them. The problem isn’t taxation, the problem is accountability.

            • Beau O’Connell

              Andddddd…..this isn’t happening under a capitalistic system????? Ok then!

              • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                The economic system in America is fascist, not capitalist.

              • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                authoritarian system. Fixed it for you.

    • Johanna Roberts

      I really favor the “Utah” program, butI belive there are conditions-such as resonable upkeep on property. I’ll have to check it out again.

  • Mr Tony

    The reverend monk is a big player in Pensacola. He does a lot for poor people.

  • Madamegar

    What a set up!!!! Fist they take your homes away,and then they make homelessness illegal…..what a sad country,come on people,WAKE UP!!!

    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

      I absolutely despise people who suggest we’re asleep. Wake up and what??

      • fusking

        fucking fight!

        • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

          Fucking fight who exactly?

          • NickyyyNostalgia

            Fight our government. You’ll be awakened one day. But it’ll be one day when you wonder how you and your family is in an AMERICAN concentration camp.

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              The sad thing is not you preachin’ to the choir, it’s you
              preachin’ to the choir director.

              • Laylla

                If you know all of this, why all the questions?

                • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                  As I said previously, I hate when people suggest we “WAKE UP!”
                  We’re all awake, thank you.
                  And then there are folks like Mark Bigger (below) who suggest that “they” (that means you and me I suppose, but not him) will rise up and fight the oppressors a la Syria.

                  And while I’m fairly certain, as in Afghanistan and Viet Nam that a dug-in populous, using guerrilla tactics could prevent the government “winning” I’m thinking we (the people) wouldn’t win either.

                  I’ll go so far as to suggest a civil war in America would seriously suck (and severely cut into our facebook time). And I would suggest that there’s another alternative.

                  • Shadowulf McCullough

                    Ok how about this since it seems to offend you to be told to wake up since you say your awake then that makes you worse IMHO that means you are sheep. Blindly following along doing everything you are told is for your own good better that you would be asleep then blind

                    • WhoCares

                      He didn’t say he was a blind follower, I believe he’s saying that most people reading here are already “awake” and already doing most of what’s in their power to feasibly do (other than some unnamed suggested alternative).

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      Thanx. That’s exactly what I mean. But there’s more. These agent provocateurs, like Shadowpoof, the Fallen, and Bigger who would have you taking up arms against your government believe there is only one way to show government that we no longer consent to their rule. So I question them (and you). Is there another way?

                    • WhoCares

                      I have no idea. Like I said in another post above, I think the only way is to win the war against ignorance, and the score is 99 to 1, not in our favor. Most of us are just trying to stay safe in the chaos for another 30-40 years.

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      I refuse to act in such a way as to inform the government that I consent to being governed by them.

                      From Wikipedia:

                      “Consent
                      of the Governed” is a phrase synonymous with a political
                      theory wherein a government’s legitimacy and moral right to use state power is
                      only justified and legal when derived from the people or society over which that
                      power is exercised. This theory of “consent” is historically contrasted to the
                      divine right of kings and has often been invoked against the legitimacy of
                      colonialism.

                    • Logan Baer

                      and as Federal Farmer asked, what do you suggest? when petitions fail, and democratic process is ignored, and elected officials are not put in office, but the ones we don’t vote for are. I consider myself awake, and acting in a small box. i’d like to act to a larger extent, but shy of civil war, which would seriously suck, what do the people walking with their fingers outstretched, screaming ‘sheeple sheeple’ suggest that we do? all stand around pointing at eachother saying sheeple? I live on my land, grow my food, produce my own electricity, ferment my own alcohol, and sew my own clothes, but maintaining myself is a very small picture. bigger than pointing, but if you have a larger scheme to help us all share it. maybe some sheeple will follow you. maybe some people will walk beside you.

                    • johnnyrotten.

                      Calling people sheep must make you so liberated and so enlightened in IMHO. Who says he’s blindly following anyone? Should he blindly follow what you believe if he doesn’t? Should people just conform to your expectations and what you believe they are being told?

                  • WhoCares

                    I believe I understand your reasoning, but skeptical that there is any alternative or any “fix” at all. The “fight” is against ignorance and immorality (theft/violence). But it’s a lost cause already. The neocons will never reconsider their ignorant view of the world and the welfare state leeches will fight to the death to keep their free lunches.

                    Humans are too stupid and collectively crave a dominating nanny state. All those who are “awake” can only do their best to stay away from the steamroller until a hopefully natural death.

                    • Rebecca Phillips

                      You know something I think it is appalling that these ordinances have been invoked, and I don’t consider myself a state welfare leech, I am in fact one of those veterans, on disability that is less than the poverty level, though I am not homeless, I barely survive, so the $180 in food a month I cherish and Thankyou for, and many times I have taken in homeless fed them food I didn’t have offered warmth, and a blanket a place to sleep, my eyes have been open as well as my heart but not everyone wants help

                    • Patrick Fallon

                      God will bless you

                    • Rebecca Phillips

                      HE already has, I have a loving family, a roof over my head, and a cancer survivor of 19 months so far, GOD has walked with me through all of my woes and even carried me when I wanted to quit, so yes HE has blessed me already.

                    • Amber Turientine

                      Waste of money creating crazy ordinances just because you don’t want to deal with the homeless. Spend that same money and follow Utah’s model on providing Jones and case management to help eliminate homelessness. But that would make too much sense.

                    • Hunter Lucas

                      “Welfare leeches” are you and me. We all are, because we all pay in and we all take from the system. Period. Some take more, some take less. You know who takes the most, though? Corporations. Stop fighting your less fortunate brethren and stand up to the real bullies–your corporate overlords. They’re the ones pulling the strings in politics, ultimately.

                    • WhoCares

                      We’re being forced to pay for goods and services. Some of which we don’t need or want, some which we do want, but many (or all) of which could be purchased privately. I don’t call that being a welfare leech.

                      When I used the term I was mostly referring to the able-bodied scum you see in videos such as “Obama bucks”, the welfare/food stamps/benefits fraud crowd, and the corporate/wealthy beneficiaries of government meddling & law/regulation. Including the banks & anything bailout related.

                    • jwald1

                      There are very few welfare leeches, but the few that are around get the press. Most people do not want to live in poverty, most people want to pay their way. Before Ronald Reagan the average CEO made about 78 times their minimum paid worker, today it is 3500 times that. Had it not been for his economic practices and we had the same income distribution we had in the 1970’s, it would mean the the average income would be $120,000 not $40,000. We saw what happened to Wall Street with out regulations. It is insane to think we don’t need them, with out regulations we would have anarchy. We need to end corporate welfare, we need to end lobbyists that pay off politicians and then write laws that benefit them and screws everyone else. We need to get rid of the men on the supreme court that decided corporations are people and we need to get rid of super pacs. The average senator needs to be pulling in 10k a day, every day .just to fund his next election. No wonder they are so corrupt.

                    • WhoCares

                      While I appreciate that this was written without vitriol or condescension, and can’t agree with the economic conclusions. The main problem causing Reagan economic policy was actually foreign policy (due to the cost). We can blame Federal Reserve inflation in addition to the over-regulation problem for income disparity and our purchasing power loss.

                      Anarchy is not having a leader, so I believe you mean to say “chaos”. While I agree that corruption is NYC’s primary product (the entire financial market, w/banking), the financial world is already absurdly regulated (and always in the wealthy’s favor, of course). It’s more like a house of cards, with congress messing with that stack every once in awhile. Yes, when you pull out the wrong cards, bad things happen. The big problem is that the entire system is fragile, dangerous, corrupt, and most of all unsustainable. But it doesn’t need to be.

                      Ending corporate welfare and lobbyists we are agreed on, but I think that’s like asking the fox to guard your hens–a problem that can never be solved until you take away the government’s power to meddle in the private economic system. Modern prosperity was constructed in the absence of massive government controls, allowing free will and the power to contract elsewhere to competitively enforce some level of accountability.

                    • WhoCares

                      Rebecca, you’re a victim of the state, and the ignorance of politicians.

                    • Rebecca Phillips

                      I am sorry but I don’t consider myself a victim, things are what they are, yes the “government” takes advantage of its people,,,and most politicians are ignorant as to what the people need but I will survive. Yes I am a proud woman and like most of us I have had a hard life, but yet we worry about a homeless person to have a blanket to be warm. With all the empty buildings use one for a shelter on those cold nights, my God , right now it is 15° where I am , and we have shelters, churches, and still people die on tbe streets, some are by choice, but at least give them the option.

                    • WhoCares

                      Sorry for what? You’re entitled to an opinion, that’s fine.

                    • Johanna Roberts

                      ^^ meh!

                    • baws

                      Yeah that freedom shit sounds real legit, but if you take the leeches’ lunches’ they are going to come for yours in bunches

                    • WhoCares

                      LOL Well, can’t argue with that. Is that line copyrighted?

                    • Difdi

                      Nor will the neolibs ever reconsider their ignorant world view.

                  • Heather

                    Yes, you’re fairly certain that, “as in Afghanistan & Viet Nam that a dug in populous, using guerrilla tactics could prevent the government “winning” I’m thinking we (the people) wouldn’t win either. I guess you think our “win” against England back in the war that started in 1776 I guess in your view/opinion we (the people) didn’t win either. People from other countries did NOT want to come here to the USA where streets are paved with gold & if you worked hard you could have a good life & have basic human rights and the pursuit of happiness. You are severely pathetic being worried that another civil war would not just seriously suck (which I agree with) but your worry that it severely cut into facebook time is what I find severely pathetic. Unlike you Farmer, I’m not worried about facebook time. If it comes down to fighting the government from taking away our rights or facebook time…I have n problems fighting for our rights & not shed one tear for facebook.

                    • baws

                      Militarily? no we didn’t win the revolutionary war. they british quit halfway through because they lost the political support of their voter base

                    • LT Bay

                      Right. Washington
                      quickly turned on the Revolutionary War veterans by sending 15,000 well-armed
                      troops to slaughter veteran farmers who refused to pay a tax on their grain for
                      the benefit of the wealthy British bankers.
                      See the Whiskey Rebellion.

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      If I had the time and desire I could explain point by point why you’re an idiot.

                    • Heather

                      Ah, yes, it would suck as it would cut into your facebook time. well, have no fear, I shall not lose sleep over your lack of wanting to give up facebook time. I actually don’t care what you think. Someone who is more worried that a civil war would suck b/c it would interfere with time on Facebook. is a waste of oxygen & IMO would be cruel to feed his/her carcass to a rabid dog. just FYI, i am not going to lose sleep over whatever your opinion is,

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      Heather!

                  • William Burke

                    POPULACE, n., the people who inhabit a place
                    POPULOUS, adj., containing many people

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      Thank you so much for the English lesson, Mr. Burke. Are you an English teacher? You certainly educated me, and it didn’t cost me a dime. I am in your debt, sir.

                    • William Burke

                      Nope, not an English teacher. Just a user of the language.

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      Well you’ve performed an exemplary service here today. I invite all readers of this thread to join in thumbing up your corrective post. Well done!

              • Patrick Fallon

                the Federal Farmer won,t even show his face it,s called no balls

                • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                  I have my actual email address posted here. Where’s yours?

                  • Patrick Fallon

                    you some how missed what i said your photo photo picture ???????

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      You’re stuttering. Let’s see your big balls, Patrick. Post your email.

                    • Jennifer Lebrecht-Cooper

                      Some simply do not want their picture posted all over the world. There
                      is nothing wrong with that. I also do not use my pic. For one it helps make identity theft a little more difficult.

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      You got me, Pat. Truth is, I’m intimidated by the size of your moobs.

            • Ken Bjornbak

              It is not the Government(the paid employees of the city) it is the elected Representatives in the City Council who made these rules. You folks voted for these several people. You go to the chamber and write letters and sign petitions and then elect someone else… That is called exercising your citizenship. Make it happen with you!

              • peter3dogs

                Decent police officers respect their Oath Of Officer/Support Our Constitutional Rights first.

                • Difdi

                  Unfortunately, there are very few of those.

                  There was an incident in the past few years where being a member of an organization that supports doing exactly that — not breaking the oath of office/service — was cited in a court document as a reason why the individual in question was an unfit parent whose kids should be taken away.

                  Other good cops have been involuntarily committed to psychiatric hospitals by their shift supervisors for refusing orders that would violate their oath.

                  More than one department spokesman has called such an oath-upholding officer unfit to wear the uniform.

                  Even if a cop manages to personally keep his oath, there are all kinds of laws against giving aid or comfort to criminals. If the laws you and I are subject to that govern what would make us accomplices after the fact or co-conspirators were applied to police, very few cops would be able to stay out of prison. If laws like the RICO Act were applied to police departments, they’d effectively be abolished nationwide.

                • James Nimmons

                  and how many decent police officers are there these days?

              • Meri Coury

                who do you think the GOVERNMENT is made up with? Donkey’s? Yeah, well them too…PAID employees…be real.

                • Ken Bjornbak

                  Oh sorry I see this is Florida, Yea I lived there back in 1970. Seems there were a lot of paid employees of government there. But they do not make the rules, the Mayor and council make the rules. Is this rule still on the books or is this a report that has surfaced from history to make Libertarians mad as hell…?

              • LT Bay

                No, no Ken. You should just vent your anger in the comments section by writing, “Wake Up. Yous peoples better Wake Up. I been telling yous to Wake Up for 40 years now”.

                Now don’t you feel better? Wasn’t that easy?

                See, going to an actual council meeting, signing a petition,
                writing a letter or investigating the candidates before voting is too much work.

            • LT Bay

              Most folks are awake but lack a realistic plan,
              resources, leadership, funds and etc.
              The government loves you fighting so they have cause to arrest you, jail you, take your property and raise taxes to deal with such situations. Maybe a better way is to become the government by winning elections.

              • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                That does seem to be what they teach us, that we have to fix the system from the inside.
                In my lifetime, EVERY politicians running for every office has promised to do that and not a single one has.
                I think there must be a non-violent way.

            • wb7ptr

              Hello … ??

          • Mark Bigger

            they will fight soon, they are getting very restless

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              “They”?

          • Michael Santarella

            let’s start with douchebags like you, taking mony not to plant seeds

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              Michael, got a mouse wheel? Use it! (scroll down)

          • Nancy Gladkin-Hessler

            Fighting the ‘powers that be’ never works. The majority of this country didn’t want Obamacare, and guess what? we have Obamacare (for which we are ALL paying). The adage, ‘you can’t fight city hall’ is so very true these days.

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              The American Revolution, The French Revolution, Women’s Suffrage, the various civil rights movements…yes, we CAN fight city hall, and we should. If you don’t want obamacare, don’t sign up. There’s no teeth in that law; You cannot be jailed and your property can’t be liened.

      • Scotster

        Wake up and get your chores done. Feed the animals, stuff like that.

        • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

          Oh I get it. You saw the word “farmer” in my name and thought I was a farmer. Never heard of the Federal Farmer in your American history classes ’cause you were home sick that day?

          • Scotster

            Oh come on now, I was just playing with you. No need to plow me under. :)

            • Mark Bigger

              lol

            • Herbert Roberson

              Clever … I see what you did there…roflmbo!

            • Laylla

              You little rebel. I like you.

          • Herbert Roberson

            The Federal Farmer was an Anti-Federalist who wrote a methodical assessment of the proposed United States Constitution that was among the more important documents of the constitutional ratification debate. The assessment appeared in the form of two pamphlets, the first published in November 1787 and the second in May 1788. The letters, which were addressed to “The Republican,” were signed only with the pseudonym “the Federal Farmer.” The identity of the author is unknown, though scholars have put forward Richard Henry Lee and Melancton Smith as possibilities. “The Republican” was most likely New York state governor George Clinton.
            The Federal Farmer made typical Anti-Federalist arguments, claiming that the Constitution would tear down the sovereign states in favor of a
            consolidated government, and that this end of the federal system would be destructive of American liberties. The letters were praised at the
            time for their thoughtfulness, composition, and persuasiveness, and today are among the most widely read works in the Anti-Federalist canon.

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              And if you click “my” name you can find a link that takes you to a page where you can download the entire anti-federalist papers in MP3 format.

              • Patrick Fallon

                i think you need to cut back on the wacky weed

                • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                  I think goobermint needs to get rid of every law that penalizes peaceful behaviors in which there is no victim.

                • wallery

                  And I think you need to swallow your Ego and back off. You’re making a fool of yourself.

                  • Patrick Fallon

                    Wallery the wacky weed got you, it takes a fool to know one ,what would you know know about ego

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      Yes, that wacky weed is bad. Government should outlaw it and make it all go away.

            • daddyksinger

              lol, Google, copy, paste much?

          • Laylla

            Lighten up. No need to be all cynical and defensive.

            • Logan Baer

              after reading about government ordinance that can have people arrested for using a blanket, you say no need to be cynical and defensive? ROFL.

          • Patrick Fallon

            you have a bull shit answer for every thing ,the federal farmer has been around the world two times ,two county fairs , and a goat fucking, and he knows every thing

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              Goat fucking.

      • Patrick Fallon

        that means have some balls and do some thing about it ,Wake up you will be next if they will take it from the poor you are next

        • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

          And what would you (et al) have me do? What exactly are you doing, Pat?

          • Matt S

            While the “Wake up” rhetoric can be tiresome, people do indeed need to take notice of such things, start petitions and or ballot initiatives, and vote out politicians that effect such cruel and asinine policies. Wake up doesn’t have to mean violent revolution or even protesting. It can mean using the tools which are easily available to us, like our vote.

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              Oh petitions and ballot initiatives; Voting. Yes, let’s try that. Like we haven’t yet attempted such things? And how’s that working for you?
              Yes, vote. That’s what the massa’s have given us. We are to vote against Tweedle Dum and for Tweedle Dee and everything will be all better, right?

      • Johanna Roberts

        Wake up and do something to change and stop the regulations and mandates and laws that are erroding our country and our sense of decency -that what! get involved!

        • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

          Oh, I should get involved. I see…

      • Michael Santarella

        WAKE UP and get your head out of your ass

      • Heidi Waid

        I agree.

      • LT Bay

        I sure do agree! Arrogant people sit in their comfortable armchairs chastising everyone
        else to “wake up”. As if that is going
        to make a difference! I
        It’s easy to sit
        and blame others. If these are arrogant
        people are so smart and so awake, then how did we get in this mess to begin
        with? Why didn’t their smartness
        prevent it? What have they actually
        done, other than sit on their butts and chastise everyone else?

        • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

          You’re correct of course, but I think I actually understand why they say this. It’s because they’ve only just recently awakened and they assume everyone else is as asleep as were they. (Did I say that correctly, William Burk?)

      • Difdi

        Well, given that the alternative is that the people in question are evil, what would you prefer to an assertion of unawareness or being asleep?

        • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

          I don’t understand your question, Difdi. Which people are evil?

          • Difdi

            People see grave injustice, and do nothing but read about it. Possibilities are limited. Learned helplessness, apathy, asleep at the helm…or evil. If we’re not allowed to suggest the least bad possibility out of the four any more, which should we assume instead?

            • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

              It’s been proven (Google it) that the people who go into politics (and their lackeys) are psychopaths..

    • Dahnte

      I would argue that most people -are- awake but are clueless on what to do. Most of us are also working Americans who are too tired having to work two or three jobs just to keep a roof over our heads. Add onto this the fact that they (government, people in charge, whatever) are making it harder and harder to actually be able to come together as a group (look at operation wallstreet et al) and you’ll see why nothing ever gets done to change stuff like this.

      • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

        I don’t know what the answer is, but I’m pretty sure I know what it isn’t.
        What we’ve been told to do, and what we’ve tried doing to change this course hasn’t worked. Shall we try doing it just a few more times and maybe one of these times it will work?
        Or should we try something new?

    • Grizzly907

      Homelessness is a complicated issue. I live in Downtown Los Angeles. The VA has an entire program set aside to help vets recover from PTSD. You cannot spit in Skid Row without hitting a rehab, halfway house or rescue mission. There a plethora of sober living houses, rehabs, and shelters in the Los Angeles area. The homeless in Los Angeles are homeless by choice because refuse to stop using drugs, and don’t want to follow the rules and regulations that these places require of their residents. I know this because I was homeless and stayed at these places. The problem with most of the homeless in my area is that they don’t want to listen and follow directions. Many of them receive GR, SSI and VA benefits.

      The situation where I live is completely different that the one in FL. Hell the ACLU even made the LAPD enter into a consent decree because were being abusive to the homeless in Skid Row. The homeless where I live are disruptive, commit crimes, harass local business owners and are a general nuisance.

      I don’t agree with what the Pensacola city council did and I think the Mayor is a horses ass. The moral of the story-don’t generalized the homeless situation as everyone that is homeless got that way because they lost their homes and job. That’s not the case in LA. Not to mention LA is much more homeless friendly. Maybe the Pensacola city government should stick those homeless people on a bus and send them to LA.

    • Jennifer Brownell

      While I agree that the country is in a sad state, I object to the notion that their homes were “taken away”. If you can’t pay rent and/or your mortgage…what? The bank is just supposed to give you the place for free? Besides, Florida has section 8 and public housing, but many homeless people have mental problems and they shy away from government housing. We can’t force them to live there. They aren’t internment camps. Yet =(

  • Tyler Westbrook

    Ina free country, one can cover up with a blanket when cold…

    • fusking

      florida is not a free country, but rather a communist resort for the European mafias

  • Layla Godey

    “Are there no poorhouses?” Poor people aren’t a blight, poverty is.

    • Susan Littleton

      Even if they go to shelters at night, they are put out on the street early in the morning and cannot come back until evening.

      • Mark Bigger

        only allowed 3 nights per month

    • Susan Littleton

      The article says they can only go to the shelter 3 nights each month.

    • gininitaly

      They used to send them to America and Australia…. now the east coast bunch wants to rule the world and forget where they came from.

  • superduckz

    I live and work in Jacksonville Beach and am no great “fan” of the homeless population that gravitates to the first major beach city you come to when heading south on I 95. They are constant nuisance for Law enforcement and a source of crime and I wish we had better tools to manage them. All that said I would stand opposed to these unconstitutional abuses (is barbaric too strong a term?) if they passed and enforced.

    • Dona Valentine

      I’m sure their not homeless to make “fans” . I wish people had a place to go . Family something ?? But they don’t so why would people keep kicking these people while they are already down . You don’t know why or who they are . I’ve seen to many vets and sick people on the streets. Not all are cracked out druggies

      • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

        How many have you taken in?

        • Shawn Swift

          That’s hardly a fair question. You can’t seriously expect people to take random strangers into their homes.

          Just because someone hasn’t personally taken a homeless person in doesn’t mean they haven’t helped the homeless at some point, or aren’t willing to help pay for their support through tax funded shelters.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            Taxation is theft, so no, I don’t support tax funded shelters. I feed random homeless strangers pizza and home made wine.

            • Shawn Swift

              You realize that jail is a “tax funded shelter” and that it costs $30-$60K a year to keep someone in jail whereas it might cost only $2400 a year to give someone a bed in a shelter and feed them. It is idiocy to throw homeless people in jail. You’re just lining the pockets of those who run our largely privatized penal system.

              • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                Why yes, Shawn I do. Proof once again that using force (taxation) to accomplish the goal of keeping us safe from bad guys doesn’t work as intended.

            • Jezzer

              I hope you also don’t use public roads or services.

              • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                Why Jezzer? Because I’m forced to pay for some of the roads and services I’ve therefore agreed to having my earnings taken by force to fund some roads and services??
                Because without government there would be no roads or services and we’d all be living in caves, eating with our hands?

                • Jezzer

                  Because despite what the neckbeards on Reddit believe, a society needs a functional central government to thrive. An anarchic society would fall to the first organized force that decided to conquer.

                  • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                    So you’re saying that a society cannot function unless it has a king or some other kind of overlord? Man crack a history book sometime! And toss out the US Constitution and the AOC and Magna Carta too while you’re at it!

                    • Dona Valentine

                      No I don’t bring people I don’t know into my home but yes I donate clothing and food to our food banks and work at the homeless shelter as well as the pet shelters in my town. I do my part to help when I can. I think higher taxes to help build more places tho is not a good idea. I live
                      in a small town and our churches are the people that step up not the feds. We need to get off the gov tits and help each other as men should do.

                    • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

                      Yes.

                    • Jezzer

                      Oh, YOU. *ruffles hair fondly*

      • rilke

        Very few are druggies, actually. I spent a total of three years on streets on the East Coast and Santa Fe, New Mexico, and many were like me whistleblowers that the government turned its back on. So much for that law. Many more were vets, yes. Others are seriously mentally ill and can’t get help. Is it surprising to learn that nowhere can homeless get food stamps because they don’t have addresses? It’s actually the government that kicks people when they are down. Surprised?

  • Robert Crim

    People need to be careful of those hiding behind the religious frock preaching “social justice.” Tell me “father” does your church take in the homeless on those cold nights? Do you take them into your own home?

    • superduckz

      Actually the churches do a LOT more for the homeless in my community than a lot of residents are comfortable with. Personally I’m conflicted.

      • http://gathman.org/vitae CustomDesigned

        Because it shows a lack of faith in the True God, Government?

    • Dona Valentine

      Churches do more then any government rep does .

      • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

        See that? That was Robert Crim’s point flying over your head.

        • Jezzer

          Robert Crim had a point? I thought he was just being a dick.

      • rilke

        By a long shot.

    • Layla Godey

      Non-religious organizations are just as capable of offering shelter to the homeless as the religious are. Why aren’t there more non-religious shelters for these homeless people to turn to instead so they won’t have to turn to just the religious organizations if they don’t want to?

    • disqusisstoopid

      He probably does, you fracking JERK!! Why don’t you do something positive instead of attack someone’s religion? Perhaps because you don’t have the strength of will to do anything but look out for yourself.

      • Robert Crim

        “He probably does?” Indicates you have NO idea, you fracking jerk. I am looking out for someone other than myself, nidget. The “father” is not really a father and is preaching social justice. Got it? Geez. Calm down. It was not a slam on the homeless.

    • Guest

      Some churches are controlled by the government! Or at least they gave themselves over to the government…..I can amost bet all the food the government

      • disqusisstoopid

        You’re delusional. Just hope YOU don’t wind up on the streets one day – your generosity of spirit will be repaid, I’m sure.

    • Madamegar

      Some churches are controlled by the government! Or at least they gave themselves over to the government…..I can almost bet all the food(USDA) the government gives these churches for their food shelves are GMO tainted!!!

    • Dan Fugate

      Actually, this particular “father” was forced out of the church for not turning his back on the LGBT community. He’s done more for the homeless and downtrodden in the Pensacola area than Jesus has.

    • Truthteller

      Actually, this particular “father” is not a priest, pastor, preacher, reverend, or a religious leader whatsoever. He has no church affiliation. I am not sure why he continues to use the title. Also he failed to mention that on the cold nights, the shelter he refers to, is open to anyone and everyone for unlimited nights.

    • Mary Ann Johansen

      Father Monk is very active in homeless outreach in Pensacola, and yes, he does.

    • Verbena

      I didn’t see any mention in the content of the article about religion. I did however read a well-written, human article about an atrocious situation that violates basic human rights and dignity. Given your comment, which fails to address any of the content in the article and attempts to discredit the author (with whom I agree, and he seems reasonable, knowledgeable, and compassionate), it is clear that the situation is allowed by attitudes like yours. I’ve heard it before…

      • Robert Crim

        When you read the article, did you look to see who wrote it? “Father” comes from the author, which is how religion came into play. You obviously only read what is in front of you and do no further research on your articles. (Which is how people like this get a platform to begin with). This “Father” is no longer affiliated w/ any church and “preaches” social justice. IF you know anything about social justice, then you would know it is about “atrocious situations that violate basic human rights and dignity.” I’ve heard it before too.

        Let me ask you Verbena, do you feed the homeless? What have you done lately to help our your fellow brother or sister?